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UMAR JOHNSON ABSOLUTELY WRONG

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    As long as White supremacy exists we'll have no peace. Everyone needs to be responsible when it comes to procreation but It's called each one teach one or teach ten if you can that's the only way to raise the race out of the situation we see ourselves in. If we all act as individuals we'll continue down the same path towards extinction. He's not saying be a father he's talking about mentoring and no one should take issue with that. It does take a village and white supremacy will find you eventually no matter where you run to on this planet.
     
    MR-D-ROB
    MR-D-ROB
    No brother.
    If you watch the entire video he was quite specific. He is advocating that not only should successful black men stay in the hood but that we should get with and marry single mothers.

    He doesn't hold the single mother accountable for sleeping with trash azz dudes. He doesn't hold the fathers accountable for not being there for their children. Instead he puts the responsibility on successful black men.

    That's bullshit. I nor any other successful black men will be success shamed by negroes like Umar and Boyce Watkins into staying in the ghetto and raising other dude's children. He wrong for that!

    I didn't stay up stressing nights studying for tests, couldn't sleep for 3 nights after taking my board exams because I was so scared of the outcome, making all the right decsions and protecting my seed to be told I have to stay in the hood and get with a chick that's been ran through!

    I worked hard to have the American dream just like anyone else. I owe something to the black community but not that. That's a step too far!

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    I have six biological children 4 have gone to college 2 have taken up trades all successful and I still took time to mentor those that weren't mine thise that I mentored have gone on to be productive in their endeavors. I'm by no means wealthy and I've found the time and money to do what needs to be done. No one is forcing you to do anything these children never asked to be here but once they're here they need guidance. We have to let these young men know that these streets are not the way we have to let these young ladies know that having multiple children isn't the way our young people are smart and intelligent in most cases and deserve better than they've gotten from Black Men and Black Women at the end of the generation we're all accountable. Blaming Black Women for all of the issues doesn't work. Enjoy your success though such as it is and your false sense of peace while we're really at war. There's no shame in being a successful person just like there's no shame in caring for my people......so my question to you is what and how do you propose to hold these single mothers accountable?
     
    MR-D-ROB
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    Personally if it were up to me I'd cut the social safety nets. Welfare, Food stamps, Section 8 and to an extent child support would all go away.
    I'd make it to where if you made bad decisions like this them your are left to fend for yourself. I know that sounds cruel but black people do best under pressure. If you force the situation to where unless you start making good decsions you starve to death or end up homeless people will do better.

    I understand what you are saying about mentoring and being a role model and I agree with you.

    But I absolutely will not stay in the hood and put my children at risk for the bad decsions of others. I'm not even going to frequent the hood because the most violent and brutal police tend to be in those areas.

    As for the absentee fathers instead of child support I'd propose that if the mother and child end up on the streets or the government is having to step in then they should be sentenced to 5 years in prison. Again I know this sounds cruel. You may think what is this going to solve. Well, if men know their bad decisions are going to have severe consequences then they'll think with their head and not with their d*ck!

    I made decsions to not get involved with drugs and the street life. I've slept with a lot of women. An embarrassingly high number. I didn't get any of them pregnant.

    My issue with Umar is he is trying to hold people who aren't even involved responsible and that's BS.

    A mentality we have to get away from is that black people owe other black people something just because they are black. While it is great if they do it, it isn't something that is owed to anyone!
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    The European mindset has taken over I practice Ma'at more than capitalism discipline over punishment. Young people don't learn unless they are taught, throwing people away is what got us to this point. Teaching a young man how to fish will ensure that he's able to survive in turbulent times I don't have to be his father to to teach or give him time. Teaching a young lady to value herself above all will help her to focus on her goals instead of falling victim to some smooth talking dude. Both men and women should be taught survival skills I get that some don't like Dr.Umar or what he stated but he has held Black Women to a standard as well as Black Men playing this clip makes it seem as if he doesn't hold the women accountable and that's the disingenuous part. I get how men feel but I'm always thinking about what we can do for the group whether than what's good for the individual you learn that real quick when you have a family and mouths to feed you learn to work with others. It's never been just about what I can get for me since my 1st child was born it's been about building a legacy with each child after that and I can attest that I build warriors both Sons Daughters and mentees, they may not be carbon copies of me but I've installed a certain mindset in them where they understand nation building over assimilation. Those that can Do. No Peace during wartime. ✊🏿💯
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    Everyone scapegoats the single mother for everything wrong in society because it alleviates them of conscience about the root cause or absolves voluntary intervention to redress the issue(s). Same for governments that are invariably the perpetrators of the root cause. Selfishness preserves the root cause and is conducive in deepening chasms of disparity in society -just needs 'good people' to do NOTHING.

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    Umar is well intentioned regarding our community and his message only upsets those that identify with a specific criticism or condemnation in the message.
     
    MR-D-ROB
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    Sorry bro but Umar can't just let chicks who choose hood dudes to have sex with and get pregnant by off the hook as well as letting the dudes that fit them pregnant off the hook and put all the onus on professional black men that have been responsible.

    I won't have it! No way. No how!

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    He said that the professional class leaves and then doesn’t serve as role models for young Black boys…he didn’t say that the professional class needs to date single moms. If we in the professional class don’t work to make another professional class behind us then we are not building a community. If you get a good job, move to a white neighborhood, and never look to help other Black people you are no use to the race.
     
    MR-D-ROB
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    I didn't quite take it that way.
    I'm okay with mentoring someone that is willing to take advice.

    However I'm not going to just be all in the hood to do so. It's more responsibility the responsibility of the mother and the father's though!
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    MR-D-ROB you don't have to be up in the hood to do so. But there are programs at the Boys and Girls Club, Big Brother programs, and other mentorships that you can join.
    MR-D-ROB
    MR-D-ROB
    That's okay. That's not what he was saying. If he meant it that way he worded it badly and should have expounded.

    He said it in a way that professional black men are wrong she leaving the black community and being out in the suburbs.

    That doesn't sound like he meant being there emotionally and supportively. That sounds like physical location he is referring to.

    He said we left single mothers alone. That sounds like physical proximity as well.

    But maybe I'm tripping!

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    So many different types of cases. I'm going to address absentee fathers of their children. This is not all cases, but from what I've seen. Two main types. The word 'main' is key. Others may disagree and I'm always open to being corrected (stop rolling your eyes, I am. lol)

    Either, the woman knowingly got pregnant to a man she had very good reason to believe he would not stick around. Especially a guy with a bit of promise to him. Sometimes its trying to keep a guy from leaving so to trap him. Sometimes its she doesn't care, the guy is a pookie but he's tall, good dick, and if she gets pregnant, maybe he'll stick around, maybe not, but her kids will be 'cute' . There are other reasons as well. These guys aren't sticking around for the long term. They may stay around till the kid is born, till 1 or 2 but they aren't sticking around at all. She may be able to get some child support out of him, maybe. And if she does, he's angry and bitter and don't want a thing to do with the child.

    Or she got pregnant by a guy that wants to be in the kids life. He doesn't like her or love her like that. It happened but he's gonna do the right thing and be involved in the kids life. She wants him to marry her. He doesn't like her like that. He helped financially the whole time. She knows with a kid, she's likely not going to find a good guy. So, she's betting on him. He ain't tryna wifey her, but he will be a father to the child. He tries. He also got a new girlfriend. She is pissed and to punish him denies him access to the child. All he can do is pay child support and keep it moving. He tries to get visitation rights. She holds the cards in the court system. She punishes him and the child. She makes sure he can't see the child, later on when the child asks about 'daddy', he gets 'That n*gga ain't about sh*t, he left us to fend for ourselves"

    I have seen plenty of single moms where the father is involved. He may not be in the house but he's part of their lives, he visits, they get to stay with him in the summer, school vacation. Maybe alternate holidays. He has a new wife or gf and the mother doesn't like her but is thinking of the best interest of the child. From my observance, that situation is typically when the mother and father of the child are both from decent families, working class or middle class. Divorced maybe, or she got pregnant when they were 'kids', young, 18 or 19, thought they were in love and by 22 or 23 figured out they are not meant for each other. But share a child.
     

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    ....all that being said, I'm not letting anyone shame me in to dating anyone. Miss me on all that. I'll keep it moving.

    I get it. Dr. Umar wants black love, black families. We all do. But marriage in America for any man of means is not a good deal. You better choose right. It's a financial and emotional life or death situation.

    And to show you how some, not all but some sisters are, some, for years black women said Oprah was smart for not marrying or she'd lose half that billions.
     
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    Lets tell the unambiguous truth -not all black men want anything to do with black women. Heaven only knows how they actual feel about their BLACK mothers -YIKES!
    MR-D-ROB
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    Well I'm married. So it's besides the point if I want or not. I'm a faithful husband.
    It's simple. Other people's bad decisions aren't my responsibility or priority.

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    I've always said I don't have anything against sisters.
    And I'll do what I can to help them if I'm able.

    I used to try to date black women but they wanted what they wanted. That wasn't me. I don't hold any grudge about that. If they hadn't turned me away I would not have met my wife. So I just feel that is how it was meant to be. And I'm thankful for it.

    However, it would be a bit of a reach now that I'm 14 years into a successful government career to ask me to move into the hood again. It would be a stretch to even ask me to go back there or even associate with certain aspects of it.

    I did everything I could to work my way up to get out of there. I hated getting harassed by police. Having to be bothered by junkies every time I go to the store. Hearing gunshots at night. Worrying about if police were going to try to frame you up on some bs charge because they lost their temper.

    Asking me to go back to that. No way. Too traumatizing and I won't put my kids through that. I'm okay out in the suburbs.

    If a single mother asked me to give advice to her son and help guide him away from bad influences then I would.

    The thing is it would be ok them to ask for that help.

    I'm otherwise quite busy focusing on my own daughters and family. But I won't turn down anyone that asked for my help.
     
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    Bruh, I feel ZERO guilt or whatever. If Dr. Umar wanna kick in and cover expenses in doing so, I'm all ears. These days 100k a year as a single person in any urban areas and most suburbs you still gotta watch pennies and in NYC, SF, LA you are struggling. Eff all that. If I happen to feel a sista with a kid, I feel a sista with a kid. But I'm not wifeying a single mom on some 'gotta do right by my sisters' thing. Same as how no good sista should feel guilty for giving time to a dusty brotha. I feel Dr. Umar, but I didn't take offense or feel guilty, I heard it and kept on moving.

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    ....all that being said, I'm not letting anyone shame me in to dating anyone. Miss me on all that. I'll keep it moving.

    I get it. Dr. Umar wants black love, black families. We all do. But marriage in America for any man of means is not a good deal. You better choose right. It's a financial and emotional life or death situation.

    And to show you how some, not all but some sisters are, some, for years black women said Oprah was smart for not marrying or she'd lose half that billions.
    Where did he say you all should date single Black mothers?
     
    MR-D-ROB
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    If you listen that's what's he is encouraging.

    Average professional black men don't have the ability to build business and invest in the community like that. We're taking care of our families.

    I'm not spending money in the community just because. I'm trying to do what needs to be done for me and mine.

    Those who can invest at that level ball players, rappers and entertainers he said he doesn't blame them or hold them accountable.

    Instead he wants regular successful black men back in the community.
    I'm sorry but that's messaging I can't get behind!
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    Some one P L E E E Z E E bring out the violin for these whiny whiny brothers seeking cover 🙄. Can all the sisters please fall back now 😂😂. Can some one please attach a security detail to Umar post haste 👍🏿😂😂
    MR-D-ROB
    MR-D-ROB
    We need to just call this what it is.
    Umar is full of crap. Easy!
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    Umar is well intentioned regarding our community and his message only upsets those that identify with a specific criticism or condemnation in the message.
    At this point Umar has fallen down on the list of B1 folks I go to for information. That never ending school fiasco is why.
     
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    The school is very disappointing but I don't doubt his B1 commitment 👍🏿
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    I've always said I don't have anything against sisters.
    And I'll do what I can to help them if I'm able.

    I used to try to date black women but they wanted what they wanted. That wasn't me. I don't hold any grudge about that. If they hadn't turned me away I would not have met my wife. So I just feel that is how it was meant to be. And I'm thankful for it.

    However, it would be a bit of a reach now that I'm 14 years into a successful government career to ask me to move into the hood again. It would be a stretch to even ask me to go back there or even associate with certain aspects of it.

    I did everything I could to work my way up to get out of there. I hated getting harassed by police. Having to be bothered by junkies every time I go to the store. Hearing gunshots at night. Worrying about if police were going to try to frame you up on some bs charge because they lost their temper.

    Asking me to go back to that. No way. Too traumatizing and I won't put my kids through that. I'm okay out in the suburbs.

    If a single mother asked me to give advice to her son and help guide him away from bad influences then I would.

    The thing is it would be ok them to ask for that help.

    I'm otherwise quite busy focusing on my own daughters and family. But I won't turn down anyone that asked for my help.
    I wouldn't go over there either. That's asking for trouble. Jealous folks all around. Not saying everyone is.
     
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    He said that the professional class leaves and then doesn’t serve as role models for young Black boys…he didn’t say that the professional class needs to date single moms. If we in the professional class don’t work to make another professional class behind us then we are not building a community. If you get a good job, move to a white neighborhood, and never look to help other Black people you are no use to the race.
    This makes sense.
     

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    I just read one of your previous comments about abolishing state welfare for black mothers and punitive FIVE year sentences for absent fathers and have to express that thank goodness you're never likely to be president and that you'd effortlessly surpass Biden in anti black hatred and cruelty.
    The main beneficiaries of welfare are white women. The dominant group that you're so obsessed with being as close to as possible is the sole reason why black women are beleaguered in the sorry state of welfare dependency and non commitment from black men. The pavlovian dog and skinner rat paradigm is real and intentional. These black women didn't aspire to this wretched way of life but like any other group made bad decisions. They are stuck in that rut because selfish and cowardly black men would sooner abscond from the relationship than morally commit to their responsibility of parenting their offspring but the ultimate betrayal is when they run straight to the womb of WS to procreate with them and put them on a pedestal then vehemently disparage black women every opportunity but treat she wolves better than they'd ever dream of treating a black woman! Dr Amos Wilson often spoke about near do well blacks desperate to flee their community to nestle among whites that resent them. Gee, I wonder why we're in the stagnated state we're in. Black women didn't create their dilemma all by themselves. I wonder, would you have espoused the same contempt and vitriol during the height of slavery?!
    I TOTALLY agree with every sentiment Umar expressed!
     

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    No one has shown where he has advocated for us to look out for single moms. He is saying that Black men have a responsibility to look after the next generation of Black boys.

    He is saying that even if the Boy’s father is not in the home it shouldn’t be an automatic path to the school to prison pipeline? Why? Because he is saying that there should be a community of Black men to guide him.

    Some of y’all in here are being disingenuous and saying that he is telling us to shack up with these single moms and be step dad. I did not hear that at all. If you did, please point out where he said it.

    In addition what’s wrong with Black men being the support for Black boys?
     

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    He literally said "role models" in the clip presented here. Role model does not mean stepdad. Some folks are getting triggered because of stuff that happened to them in their younger days. Our young men and boys need role models. The more the better. My son has his dad and his Elders looking after him. "Go back" does not mean move back there. There are many programs for successful Black men to be mentors, role models, etc. You can move out and still have a presence in the community. Let's get the chip off your respective shoulders and look out for the commUNITY. If you don't care about future generations say that and move on, but don't say he told men to marry/date single mothers when he didn't, especially in the clip presented here.

    Also, he didn't say he's not going to hold single mothers accountable. He said he's not going to fault them more than the men who leave the Black community behind. Men are supposed to be leaders. If a man is whining or complaining about someone holding him accountable for being a leader, it's a big red flag for me. Yea, you didn't make the decisions to place that young boy in a single parent household. But guess what...? He's going to grow up and affect your children's lives... whether directly or indirectly.

    There's power in the tongue. Mind your words folks.
     
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    No one has shown where he has advocated for us to look out for single moms. He is saying that Black men have a responsibility to look after the next generation of Black boys.

    He is saying that even if the Boy’s father is not in the home it shouldn’t be an automatic path to the school to prison pipeline? Why? Because he is saying that there should be a community of Black men to guide him.

    Some of y’all in here are being disingenuous and saying that he is telling us to shack up with these single moms and be step dad. I did not hear that at all. If you did, please point out where he said it.

    In addition what’s wrong with Black men being the support for Black boys?
    If our Black Kings don't step up & show our Black Princes how to be Kings & our Black Queens step up & show our Black Princesses how to be Queens, the future they should have will NEVER be.
    It truly does take a village & keep our tribes thriving for generations to come.
    #WeMustDoTheWork