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The Co-founder Of Rolling Stone Magazine Says That Black Artists Are Less Articulate & Less Intellectual Than White Male Rock Musicians

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Rolling Stone magazine co-founder Jann Wenner justified the lack of diversity in his upcoming book, The Masters—which exclusively features interviews from white, male musicians—by claiming Black artists “just didn’t articulate at that level.” Wenner told The New York Times in an interview published Friday that it wasn’t a “deliberate” selection of musicians, but instead it was “intuitive over the years.” “The people had to meet a couple criteria, but it was just kind of my personal interest and love of them,” Wenner said. As for why he didn’t interview any women, he said, “Just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level.” He added, “Of Black artists—you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as ‘masters,’ the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level.” He continued to dig himself even deeper, saying “maybe I should have gone and found one Black and one woman artist” for “public relations sake.” But, he said, he’s “old-fashioned and I don’t give a [expletive].”


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    So first off I disagree with that. He only said that because he is racist.

    Nevertheless, Are you talking about todays current generation of mumble rappers in comparison to current alternative rock artists because if that's the case he is correct. No one can say that a mumble rapper is articulate. However as far as hard rock it can be argued they aren't exactly articulate either.

    However if we are just speaking in general then no. Hip Hop require the use of metaphors and clever wordplay and rhyming schemes. If you listen to artist like Nas, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole, OutKast, older Jay Z music, Lil Wayne (mixtape only here), Twista, Common etc. then their art requires a level of intellect to come up with the lyrics in their music.

    Todays mumble rappers aren't quite on that level. They rap about drugs, money and b*tches in an inaudible, inarticulate way that is barely comprehensible.
     

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    So first off I disagree with that. He only said that because he is racist.

    Nevertheless, Are you talking about todays current generation of mumble rappers in comparison to current alternative rock artists because if that's the case he is correct. No one can say that a mumble rapper is articulate. However as far as hard rock it can be argued they aren't exactly articulate either.

    However if we are just speaking in general then no. Hip Hop require the use of metaphors and clever wordplay and rhyming schemes. If you listen to artist like Nas, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole, OutKast, older Jay Z music, Lil Wayne (mixtape only here), Twista, Common etc. then their art requires a level of intellect to come up with the lyrics in their music.

    Todays mumble rappers aren't quite on that level. They rap about drugs, money and b*tches in an inaudible, inarticulate way that is barely comprehensible.
    Jann Wenner's quotes are in the tweet that I posted, and he didn't discuss mumble rappers at all. The names that he mentioned were Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, and Curtis Mayfield, but he was speaking on Black artists in general.
     
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    Yeah that's bullshit then. Those are some of the more intelligent artists literally in history. Especially Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, and Stevie Wonder. These artists were very well spoken and even in their music it spoke a message. Listen to Marvin Gaye "Inner City Blues", "Mercy, Mercy Me", and "What's Going On". These songs spoke a message.
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    He’s talking about the 60s to 90s, I guess, not recent times. He would consider anyone out now to be worth an 2 second Instagram post.
    But if he didn’t have junk MJ or Marvin Gaye worth talking to…
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    Oops! if he didn’t think

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    The simple fact is this. American music, the music America is known for globally Jazz, Blues, R&B, Hip Hop was created by people who often had no formal education. Blues specifically.

    I defy anyone to name any white Americans who have done the same? Blue Grass? Ok...lol. Country music was originally Black.

    Same with other forms of music: Samba, Reggae, etc, were created by diaspora by Blacks with almost no education. They were self taught in musical cords, instruments, all of it. That takes a special kind of intellect.

    The whites who were considered geniuses for the most part grew up in middle income families with advantages.

    Everyone says Mozart and Beethoven were geniuses because they created timeless music while young. Nas wrote most of his first iconi album while a teenager in HS. Never left NY. Limited education, etc. If Mozart is a genius, so is Nas.

    Rock musicians wrote their biggest songs while in their 20s. You won't find the same 16, 17 or 18 year old white counterpart to Nas, Biggie, etc. in Rock. Furthermore, the biggest Rock acts: Elvis, The Beatles, Rolling Stones (named after a blues song), etc, all got their influence from Blacks (FBAs). The Police got their influence from Reggae and (Caribbean). Africans are expanding on Afro Beats. White folks aren't doing shyt musically these days but bastardizing black music into something else like they did with rock music.

    It's an idiotic and asinine statement when you look at the history music in the last 100 years or so. Not worth my time personally given the proof.

    It's laughable really.
     
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    Rolling Stone magazine co-founder Jann Wenner justified the lack of diversity in his upcoming book, The Masters—which exclusively features interviews from white, male musicians—by claiming Black artists “just didn’t articulate at that level.” Wenner told The New York Times in an interview published Friday that it wasn’t a “deliberate” selection of musicians, but instead it was “intuitive over the years.” “The people had to meet a couple criteria, but it was just kind of my personal interest and love of them,” Wenner said. As for why he didn’t interview any women, he said, “Just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level.” He added, “Of Black artists—you know, Stevie Wonder, genius, right? I suppose when you use a word as broad as ‘masters,’ the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye, or Curtis Mayfield? I mean, they just didn’t articulate at that level.” He continued to dig himself even deeper, saying “maybe I should have gone and found one Black and one woman artist” for “public relations sake.” But, he said, he’s “old-fashioned and I don’t give a [expletive].”


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    How many more of them feel the same way?
     

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    From Wiki: "Wenner was raised in the San Francisco Bay Area, the son of Sim and Edward Wenner. He grew up in a secular Jewish family"

    How come they get to come at blacks without 1. Any repercussions and 2. No statement from the ADL and other groups?

    There is a long list of them. The guy who pushed for the end of Affirmative Action. The former owner of the Clippers who was racist against Magic Johnson and all Blacks. Michael Bloomberg targets blacks as mayor with 'Stop and Frisk', Stephen Miller, the Trump advocate for ending immigration from African countries. Many, many more.

    Repeatedly. Kanye was wrong and obviously has deep issues but he gets punished. You even bring this up and you're antisemitic.
     
    GwynShivers
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    All they can do is own things. NBA, NFL, movie & music studios, but who do they get to perform?
    They'll NEVER be who we are, so continue to hate, that's what you do best!
    Rollie Forbes
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    That's what racists like Jann Wenner think. They believe that we're only good enough to sing, dance, or run a football. His statement wasn't that we can't perform, he doesn't think that we belong the owner's box.
    He's not questioning our talent, he's trying to discredit our mental capacity. In his statement, Jann Wenner called Stevie Wonder a musical genius and followed up by saying that Black people lack intelligence. They think that we're idiots.