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TAILIANNA · 12/21/21

Heyy yall i be so disgusted with our black celebrities with the exception of nipsey and 2pac i think they have been compleþe failures.what would yall say to a boycott on all celebrity make up clothing streaming etc that aint on code meaning wealth redidistribution and im not taking about 5000 dollars to a black college or watever i mean really help black people.

sourgrapes · 12/21/21

I don't expect a man or woman to reach success and give me handouts. I am not a socialist. lol

Like I get that they aren't doing much to better the communities but our communities aren't their responsibility. If they choose to help out, they can. Most don't but that is on them. They are not obligated to pay us a dime. Why should they? It isn't their fault that slavery was acceptable back in the day. It wasn't their fault that the US government set the black man or woman up to fail in America. If they happen to come out on top, more power to them.

Jay · 12/21/21

TAILIANNA said:
Heyy yall i be so disgusted with our black celebrities with the exception of nipsey and 2pac i think they have been compleþe failures.what would yall say to a boycott on all celebrity make up clothing streaming etc that aint on code meaning wealth redidistribution and im not taking about 5000 dollars to a black college or watever i mean really help black people.

Welcome to the board. I think Jason Black had a good answer for this one on his episode from Sunday night. If we all follow a Black agenda we will naturally do what's in our best interest, we won't even have to be deliberately anti-anything. Like you, I've become disillusioned with Black celebrities but I focus on helping Black people and business owners in my community and share knowledge that I have to help us think on a single accord.

So I don't necessarily think we need to boycott, we just need to see them for what they are, entertainment. Right now, we look to them as thought-leaders and that's why there is an expectation on them greater than they are willing to offer. When you see LeBron as nothing more than a tall dude that throws a bouncy ball in an orange metal ring, you start to give him the amount of significance that he deserves.

Because at the end of the day, if we boycott celebrities we still are left with a fractured community with many off-code members. We need to change the community and the celebrities will have to fall in line.

TAILIANNA · 12/21/21

sourgrapes said:
I don't expect a man or woman to reach success and give me handouts. I am not a socialist. lol

Like I get that they aren't doing much to better the communities but our communities aren't their responsibility. If they choose to help out, they can. Most don't but that is on them. They are not obligated to pay us a dime. Why should they? It isn't their fault that slavery was acceptable back in the day. It wasn't their fault that the US government set the black man or woman up to fail in America. If they happen to come out on top, more power to them.

This wouldnt be a hand out this would be a mandate no black support without helping the community. The reason i feel like this and its really any celebrity but its especially the black ones is because they are sell outs and they exist in a world where they pretend to care about the fans. Beyonce would not even show up to a m4a march for free healthcare while she runs a sweat shop. I belive the only way this needle gets moved is with class support. The same ppl you are giving your time and money to are using that money to fund white suppremecy agencies like the nfl nba etc. I am a communist and you will never beat whire supprrmct with black capitalism it is no better and will continue a path of destruction climate change and imperailaism.

TAILIANNA · 12/21/21

Jay said:
Welcome to the board. I think Jason Black had a good answer for this one on his episode from Sunday night. If we all follow a Black agenda we will naturally do what's in our best interest, we won't even have to be deliberately anti-anything. Like you, I've become disillusioned with Black celebrities but I focus on helping Black people and business owners in my community and share knowledge that I have to help us think on a single accord.

So I don't necessarily think we need to boycott, we just need to see them for what they are, entertainment. Right now, we look to them as thought-leaders and that's why there is an expectation on them greater than they are willing to offer. When you see LeBron as nothing more than a tall dude that throws a bouncy ball in an orange metal ring, you start to give him the amount of significance that he deserves.

Because at the end of the day, if we boycott celebrities we still are left with a fractured community with many off-code members. We need to change the community and the celebrities will have to fall in line.

I dont understand that what good is being on code if there is no punishment for being off code? Jason called out jay z for being a traitor why not take the next step and pull his support? Lebron said vote biden why will you continue to buy his shoes. Kanye went full maga will you continue to play his songs? Thx im glad to found this place for real ones💖

Jay · 12/21/21

TAILIANNA said:
I dont understand that what good is being on code if there is no punishment for being off code? Jason called out jay z for being a traitor why not take the next step and pull his support? Lebron said vote biden why will you continue to buy his shoes. Kanye went full maga will you continue to play his songs? Thx im glad to found this place for real ones💖

I understand that but the issue is that not giving support is a byproduct of being on code. If you’re on code with an agenda of Black Empowerment, your automatic next step is going to be to support those who support you. So Im saying that if we focus on doing for ourselves, focus on supporting one another, and only dealing with those who are about Black empowerment then off code celebrities, teachers, doctors, lawyers, businesses, etc will all be excluded naturally. We wont have to single them out because tending to our agenda will cause to be excluded by default.

If energy is finite and we only have 100 energy to expend a day, I’d rather direct that energy towards finding and working with like minded empowerment focused Blacks rather than using it to point out off code Blacks and demanding their allegience. Or in other words, if I was around 100 people and 75 were off code I’d rather spend my time linking and building with the 25 that were on code instead of pointing out the 75 that werent. We could build together and the 75 that were off code would be excluded from anything we built which would be their punishment. If they attempted to sabotage then the punishment would escalate to where it naturally needs to go.

The Honorable · 12/21/21

TAILIANNA said:
Beyonce would not even show up to a m4a march for free healthcare while she runs a sweat shop.

Medicare-for-All is a Progressive Agenda item so I fail to see why Beyoncé’s lack of support for it should serve as a galvanizing point for Black Americans. Are you advocating for rising tides lift all boats policies? I‘m not accusing you of such I’m simply asking.

HeffDawg · 12/21/21

TAILIANNA said:
This wouldnt be a hand out this would be a mandate no black support without helping the community. The reason i feel like this and its really any celebrity but its especially the black ones is because they are sell outs and they exist in a world where they pretend to care about the fans. Beyonce would not even show up to a m4a march for free healthcare while she runs a sweat shop. I belive the only way this needle gets moved is with class support. The same ppl you are giving your time and money to are using that money to fund white suppremecy agencies like the nfl nba etc. I am a communist and you will never beat whire supprrmct with black capitalism it is no better and will continue a path of destruction climate change and imperailaism.

Black people are not at a stage to be talking about political and economic systems like communism, socialism, capitalism etc. if we don’t learn to stick together all that shit is lipstick on a pig. We need to start at the basics which is putting other Black people first in all our dealings. Then move on to collaborating with other Black people and building with them no matter what even if it results in death. Communism, Socialism, etc is just jail babble if people cant even stick together to build a grocery store and support it at all costs.

TAILIANNA · 12/23/21

HeffDawg said:
Black people are not at a stage to be talking about political and economic systems like communism, socialism, capitalism etc. if we don’t learn to stick together all that ish is lipstick on a pig. We need to start at the basics which is putting other Black people first in all our dealings. Then move on to collaborating with other Black people and building with them no matter what even if it results in death. Communism, Socialism, etc is just jail babble if people cant even stick together to build a grocery store and support it at all costs.

That wouldnt be such an issue though if our celebrities were always talking about how much money they have and how poor everyone else is. Like ross ur talking about billions and buying private jets how many rent free communes could be opened with that.

HeffDawg · 12/23/21

TAILIANNA said:
That wouldnt be such an issue though if our celebrities were always talking about how much money they have and how poor everyone else is. Like ross ur talking about billions and buying private jets how many rent free communes could be opened with that.

So now celebrities are supposed to fix an issue they didn’t start? Sounds like you’re trying to give White Supremacy a pass by blaming Black people for their own plight.

TAILIANNA · 12/23/21

HeffDawg said:
So now celebrities are supposed to fix an issue they didn’t start? Sounds like you’re trying to give White Supremacy a pass by blaming Black people for their own plight.

Of course not i think there should be a mandate on all celebritys but black celebritys should have some sence of ressponisiblity to the black tace to end or help end a preditory system that is activly killing us and making us homeless. I hear jason black say this the chinese etc are doing better because they stick together and have a sence of repsonisbliliy to eachother that black people dont have. Changing the conversation from indivual capitalism ie jay z to community mentaily and repsonisblity ie 2pac nipsey hustle would go a long way to stop us from being ponds and recapture that unity that we had during slavery.

HeffDawg · 12/23/21

TAILIANNA said:
Of course not i think there should be a mandate on all celebritys but black celebritys should have some sence of ressponisiblity to the black tace to end or help end a preditory system that is activly killing us and making us homeless. I hear jason black say this the chinese etc are doing better because they stick together and have a sence of repsonisbliliy to eachother that black people dont have. Changing the conversation from indivual capitalism ie jay z to community mentaily and repsonisblity ie 2pac nipsey hustle would go a long way to stop us from being ponds and recapture that unity that we had during slavery.

Yes but that doesn’t start or stop with celebrities. We don’t need celebrities to prosper.

TAILIANNA · 12/23/21

HeffDawg said:
Yes but that doesn’t start or stop with celebrities. We don’t need celebrities to prosper.

Of course bot but what other people can you think who activly support a harmfull message have the money to effect change and brag about a jet while there people are starving. We have to expect white suppremecists not to care but we shouldnt be accepting that from our own race. It is also unaceptable that these preachers are doing the same thing.

HeffDawg · 12/24/21

TAILIANNA said:
Of course bot but what other people can you think who activly support a harmfull message have the money to effect change and brag about a jet while there people are starving. We have to expect white suppremecists not to care but we shouldnt be accepting that from our own race. It is also unaceptable that these preachers are doing the same thing.

Jay already answered this.

Jay said:
Because at the end of the day, if we boycott celebrities we still are left with a fractured community with many off-code members. We need to change the community and the celebrities will have to fall in line.

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