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Jay · 9/19/22

Star dropped some game that I think everyone needs to listen to. The whole “only God can judge” is bull crap. You need to be analyzing those around you and coming to decisive judgments on who they are and what they are about.

Life is about to get much harder for us here in the USA and globally as well and now more than ever you need to manage your inner circle.

Just because you judge someone doesn’t mean that you have to treat them badly or turn your nose up at them. It just means you have sized them up internally and see them for who you believe them to be.

Here it is in his own words.

View: https://youtu.be/HM-FXDDOuU8

Czharcus · 9/19/22

My $0.02:

I agree and disagree at this juncture in my life, disagree only because he's using judgment and discernment interchangeably. There is a fine line between the two.

There are no humans in a world of judgment. Meaning, personhood is reduced to a single judgment of a single moment. Like in our judicial system: nothing (or the smallest sliver) that creates the moment is taken into consideration. If you are judged as guilty, the rest of your life is altered. If you get out of jail, you are an "ex-con" until you die. There is no redemption. Then, it's often wrong or outdated. It has people out here with destroyed and disjointed lives and even still serving time over a guilty verdict on something that is harmless. WS thrives off the conflation of judgment and discernment.

Even worse, you do the same to yourself. Judgment is a double-edged sword. Our brains are extremely sophisticated "computers." It will take the judgment you made, store it and punish you for violations as well, forever. Taking into account that the exact same thing that you originally judged will never happen again, any judgments on people will backfire. Your mind will unconsciously judge you against what it deems "reasonable facsimiles" of which you may or may not have any conscious awareness.

Discernment makes everyone human, therefore saving you from unwarranted self punishment. Discernment says "I don't want what you are on so I will separate myself from you/it." There is no condemnation that judgment brings. You understand life has led that person in a direction in which you cannot follow/participate. If this person reemerges in your life, you can actually see who they are in that moment instead of overlaying the past judgment.

It sounds like he is describing judgment in some instances and discernment in others but using the same word for both. There is a subtle but very important difference. Everyone already uses judgment, that's why the world is so messed up. Discernment is what I believe is the message he wants to convey because only it actually brings the freedom he describes.

"Only God can judge me" is better interpreted as "Only God SHOULD judge me" for our own good, not theirs.

DaBeast · 9/19/22

Jay said:
Star dropped some game that I think everyone needs to listen to. The whole “only God can judge” is bull crap. You need to be analyzing those around you and coming to decisive judgments on who they are and what they are about.

Life is about to get much harder for us here in the USA and globally as well and now more than ever you need to manage your inner circle.

Just because you judge someone doesn’t mean that you have to treat them badly or turn your nose up at them. It just means you have sized them up internally and see them for who you believe them to be.

Here it is in his own words.

View: https://youtu.be/HM-FXDDOuU8

100% agree with you there. I am a very observant person these days, so I am always trying to figure people out to find their character. Some people hide it well, but it's easy to see the ones who are stuck in the past and the old ways. They have that look of disdain, it's subtle, but it's usually there.

I tend to stay out of people's business as long as they stay out of mine. I will observe people, and if I think they're bad, I just won't associate with them, speak to them unless spoken to, etc. You'll still get the "Karen" types, and the ones that really hide their hate too. But you can kinda see most of the bad ones just by the way they look at you or interact with you.

And when I judge someone, it's not like I go out of my way to make it known to them. When I judge people I see, I do it in my head for the most part. I'm sure they're judging me as I walk by them, or make my presence known. So I may as well judge them in my head too.

educatedman23 · 9/29/22

I don't even go around people except when I have to so I do not have anybody to judge. I don't have an inner circle either.

Ravenfreak · 9/29/22

I'm on constant alert wherever I go. Of course it's partially due to my anxiety issues but also because society sucks, and it probably won't get any better in our lifetime. I always keep to my inner circle, and I'm always judging strangers and people I've just met, of course not in a bad way. It's just for mine and my families protection, that's all.

educatedman23 · 10/7/22

Ravenfreak said:
I'm on constant alert wherever I go. Of course it's partially due to my anxiety issues but also because society sucks, and it probably won't get any better in our lifetime. I always keep to my inner circle, and I'm always judging strangers and people I've just met, of course not in a bad way. It's just for mine and my families protection, that's all.

I'm very watchful of all the people around me. My biological family members, my so called friends, and strangers. I can never tell when folks will switch up.

Boss Hog · 10/8/22

Ravenfreak said:
I'm on constant alert wherever I go. Of course it's partially due to my anxiety issues but also because society sucks, and it probably won't get any better in our lifetime. I always keep to my inner circle, and I'm always judging strangers and people I've just met, of course not in a bad way. It's just for mine and my families protection, that's all.

You’re just being smart. The bible told us not to judge, doesn‘t mean we need to listen.

Sapphire · 10/9/22

I think judging people and using judgment are two different things.

Like you can use judgment to avoid people who you know will bring toxicity into your life without judging them.

Jay · 10/9/22

Sapphire said:
I think judging people and using judgment are two different things.

Like you can use judgment to avoid people who you know will bring toxicity into your life without judging them.

But you judged them to come to that judgment. By determining they will bring toxicity you have judged them and there is nothing wrong eith that.

Czharcus said:
My $0.02:

I agree and disagree at this juncture in my life, disagree only because he's using judgment and discernment interchangeably. There is a fine line between the two.

There are no humans in a world of judgment. Meaning, personhood is reduced to a single judgment of a single moment. Like in our judicial system: nothing (or the smallest sliver) that creates the moment is taken into consideration. If you are judged as guilty, the rest of your life is altered. If you get out of jail, you are an "ex-con" until you die. There is no redemption. Then, it's often wrong or outdated. It has people out here with destroyed and disjointed lives and even still serving time over a guilty verdict on something that is harmless. WS thrives off the conflation of judgment and discernment.

Even worse, you do the same to yourself. Judgment is a double-edged sword. Our brains are extremely sophisticated "computers." It will take the judgment you made, store it and punish you for violations as well, forever. Taking into account that the exact same thing that you originally judged will never happen again, any judgments on people will backfire. Your mind will unconsciously judge you against what it deems "reasonable facsimiles" of which you may or may not have any conscious awareness.

Discernment makes everyone human, therefore saving you from unwarranted self punishment. Discernment says "I don't want what you are on so I will separate myself from you/it." There is no condemnation that judgment brings. You understand life has led that person in a direction in which you cannot follow/participate. If this person reemerges in your life, you can actually see who they are in that moment instead of overlaying the past judgment.

It sounds like he is describing judgment in some instances and discernment in others but using the same word for both. There is a subtle but very important difference. Everyone already uses judgment, that's why the world is so messed up. Discernment is what I believe is the message he wants to convey because only it actually brings the freedom he describes.

"Only God can judge me" is better interpreted as "Only God SHOULD judge me" for our own good, not theirs.

Using the judicial system to describe judgment is wrong in this case. We’re talking about coming to a decisive determination on the character of those around you whether it be positive or negative. This actually informs discernment because your judgment of the person allows you to discern to what degree they should be around.

Sapphire · 10/9/22

Jay said:
But you judged them to come to that judgment. By determining they will bring toxicity you have judged them and there is nothing wrong eith that.

I get that. But what I mean is you are judging outcomes, not people. Like you can see a hooker on the street and not judge her for being a hooker but you can use judgment to avoid her because you know her lifestyle is not healthy. DOes that make sense? Maybe I am not wording it right lol I did not get much sleep last night and have to head into work soon.

educatedman23 · 10/9/22

Boss Hog said:
You’re just being smart. The bible told us not to judge, doesn‘t mean we need to listen.

I'm definitely gonna listen.

ProMoatBlack · 10/9/22

Boss Hog said:
You’re just being smart. The bible told us not to judge, doesn‘t mean we need to listen.

This is a common misconception. The bible does tell us to judge. But to judge based on righteousness. Jesus himself said you will know them by their fruits. Aka what they produce. If you produce life as opposed to toxicity and death. There is a whole book in the Bible called judges.
No we dont judge to determine who goes to heaven or hell but we should judge people. Judgements are everywhere in life. Hell even in school ,grades are a form of judgement. Judging whether you understand the material or not. Judging in of itself is not bad. Discernment I agree is a form attuned judgement

Boss Hog · 10/9/22

ProMoatBlack said:
This is a common misconception. The bible does tell us to judge. But to judge based on righteousness. Jesus himself said you will know them by their fruits. Aka what they produce. If you produce life as opposed to toxicity and death. There is a whole book in the Bible called judges.
No we dont judge to determine who goes to heaven or hell but we should judge people. Judgements are everywhere in life. Hell even in school ,grades are a form of judgement. Judging whether you understand the material or not. Judging in of itself is not bad. Discernment I agree is a form attuned judgement

Well I stand corrected. You made some really great points about how judgment is everywhere. Your credit score is a judgment.

educatedman23 feel free to judge all you want.

ProMoatBlack · 10/9/22

In a way it's a form of exacting a protective power. You can determine who is on code with judgements. Who is devoted to black and empowerment. What do they produce to that end.

Czharcus · 10/11/22

Jay said:
Using the judicial system to describe judgment is wrong in this case. We’re talking about coming to a decisive determination on the character of those around you whether it be positive or negative. This actually informs discernment because your judgment of the person allows you to discern to what degree they should be around.

Why is it wrong? "Coming to a decisive determination on the character of a person… be it positive or negative" is what the judicial system does every day. Whether it's supposed to do that, is a different story.

That's why black people get punished the most. Judges and juries judge character. Being black is an attribute of a person's character in a racist society. If you are talking about judgment of people, this is what you talking about. People cannot judge people without distortions of reality and unrecognized biases in the mix because we can only see a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of reality at any given time. The only reason we think it's useful is because we unconsciously manipulate our own perception to make ourselves correct, in every step of the process.

I think Sapphire touched on it well:

Sapphire said:
what I mean is you are judging outcomes, not people. Like you can see a hooker on the street and not judge her for being a hooker but you can use judgment to avoid her because you know her lifestyle is not healthy.

I have learned in my spiritual journey, when we judge people, we are actually only judging past outcomes and our perceptions of what went down. Because our preconception is so limited, we're not even judging past reality, we don't have that ability.

We are so wholly delusional and it's funny because each of us has 100% convinced ourselves that we're not.

But we can discern whether or not we'd want to be around/participate in whatever activities/situations. Although, to go even deeper, we cannot discern whether or not ANYTHING, positive or negative, is in our best interests. As much as we think we KNOW, we're really just guessing LOL. Not a bad thing because we eventually get to where we need/want to be.

Jay · 10/11/22

Czharcus said:
Why is it wrong? "Coming to a decisive determination on the character of a person… be it positive or negative" is what the judicial system does every day. Whether it's supposed to do that, is a different story.

No, that is not what the judicial system does. The reason why there was a sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine wasn’t due to character, it was due to race. The judicial system is a political apparatus masquerading itself as a fair and impartial determinate of fact and issuer of judgment.

Czharcus said:
That's why black people get punished the most. Judges and juries judge character. Being black is an attribute of a person's character in a racist society. If you are talking about judgment of people, this is what you talking about. People cannot judge people without distortions of reality and unrecognized biases in the mix because we can only see a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of reality at any given time. The only reason we think it's useful is because we unconsciously manipulate our own perception to make ourselves correct, in every step of the process.

Your skin color is not an attribute of your character. The judicial system sees our skin color and AUTOMATICALLY determines our character to be flawed and then dishes out hard time based on what the government tells it to do. Coming to conclusions on people’s characters is a smart thing to do. It doesn’t mean you need to treat them differently. But if you see a potential business partner rip someone off it’s perfectly fine to just them as shiesty. It will stop you from being the next victim.

Banks · 10/11/22

I'm always keeping an eye on people around me, whether it be white people, black people, asian people, etc. I keep a very close eye on everyone that is around me, because you have to be ready for when something goes down. There are always people out there who want to do you bad, so you need to keep an eye out for just about everyone. If I see someone suspicious round me, like a white dude following me, or keeping a close eye on me, I try to steer clear of that as quickly as possible.

It's not easy to know who's good or bad, at least for me. But I like to think I'm learning to be more observant about the people around me, especially white people.

Czharcus · 10/11/22

Jay said:
No, that is not what the judicial system does. The reason why there was a sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine wasn’t due to character, it was due to race.... The judicial system sees our skin color and AUTOMATICALLY determines our character to be flawed

Czharcus said:
Why is it wrong? "Coming to a decisive determination on the character of a person… be it positive or negative" is what the judicial system does every day.... Being black is an attribute of a person's character in a racist society.

I would swear we are saying the same thing. What am I missing?

Jay said:
Coming to conclusions on people’s characters is a smart thing to do. It doesn’t mean you need to treat them differently.

It ain't working for them (the judicial system) as it decides skin color is a valid factor in determining character. What stops us from using something just as ridiculous?

Jay said:
Coming to conclusions on people’s characters is a smart thing to do. It doesn’t mean you need to treat them differently.

Discernment doesn't mean you treat anyone differently because it actually doesn't have anything to do with them.

Judgment explicitly carries consequence. It isn't our decision how we treat people after we judge them. (We see the items on the belt but we ain't the ones ringing them up) Our subconscious controls 99% of what we do without ever discussing it with us.

Sapphire · 10/12/22

Czharcus said:
We are so wholly delusional and it's funny because each of us has 100% convinced ourselves that we're not.

This is a fair point. I would like to think I don't go around judging people or things, but I know I do cause I can catch myself doing it. It is far too easy to judge people. I don't think there is anything wrong with judging behavior choices or a particular lifestyle so long as you aren't fully condemning the person. Like the whole "hate the sin not the sinner" type of approach.

Czharcus · 10/12/22

Sapphire said:
This is a fair point. I would like to think I don't go around judging people or things, but I know I do cause I can catch myself doing it. It is far too easy to judge people. I don't think there is anything wrong with judging behavior choices or a particular lifestyle so long as you aren't fully condemning the person. Like the whole "hate the sin not the sinner" type of approach.

Judgment is definitely habitual… Because we grow up believing it's useful. The deeper you go into truth, you find even "hate the sin not the sinner" is useless.

The more we question the existence of "sin" the more we free ourselves from self-harm.

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