The Cookout

CarlX · 1/5/22

I just read a good article about this issue. I first noticed the schism between FBA kids and Black immigrant kids in high school in Brooklyn. I noticed it the most with Haitian kids.

What are your thoughts on the manner in which Black immigrants come to America, exploit the work of FBAs for their gain and remain detached from the FBA history, experiences and pain? I personally am torn. On one hand, I hate to see any Black person suffer. On the other hand, I have no desire to lock arms with any Black person born abroad who feels more kinship with European descendants than us. The Haitian Border Crisis is a good example.

The article is here:

Who is black in America? Ethnic tensions flare between black Americans and black immigrants.

The rancor provides a peek into a broader debate about identity in America, raising questions about how a changing black population sees itself and is seen by the majority.

www.google.com

Jay · 1/5/22

CarlX said:
I just read a good article about this issue. I first noticed the schism between FBA kids and Black immigrant kids in high school in Brooklyn. I noticed it the most with Haitian kids.

What are your thoughts on the manner in which Black immigrants come to America, exploit the work of FBAs for their gain and remain detached from the FBA history, experiences and pain? I personally am torn. On one hand, I hate to see any Black person suffer. On the other hand, I have no desire to lock arms with any Black person born abroad who feels more kinship with European descendants than us. The Haitian Border Crisis is a good example.

The article is here:

Who is black in America? Ethnic tensions flare between black Americans and black immigrants.

The rancor provides a peek into a broader debate about identity in America, raising questions about how a changing black population sees itself and is seen by the majority.

www.google.com

Part of it is Black Americans fault because no one is going to respect someone who doesn't respect themselves. Think about if you're in Prison and you're handing out soups, cigarettes, etc...do you think it's going to buy you loyalty? NOPE! People are going to think you're a freaking idiot and they'll bleed you dry, rob you, and when you have no more commissary to give they'll act like they never knew you.

That's what happened to us so this tension we are seeing is natural. You're always going to see tension when someone who previously didn't have a boundary starts to establish one. The one that is changing up is Black Americans...everyone is like "you always let us eat off your plate and now you have a problem?" I think it's natural and it's good but we have a bunch of idiots that don't understand the overall goal is to unite with the diaspora.

We're simply doing the necessary work and protecting our ethnicity so that we can start enforcing that others treat us with the respect that we require.

CarlX · 1/5/22

Jay said:
Part of it is Black Americans fault because no one is going to respect someone who doesn't respect themselves. Think about if you're in Prison and you're handing out soups, cigarettes, etc...do you think it's going to buy you loyalty? NOPE! People are going to think you're a freaking idiot and they'll bleed you dry, rob you, and when you have no more commissary to give they'll act like they never knew you.

That's what happened to us so this tension we are seeing is natural. You're always going to see tension when someone who previously didn't have a boundary starts to establish one. The one that is changing up is Black Americans...everyone is like "you always let us eat off your plate and now you have a problem?" I think it's natural and it's good but we have a bunch of idiots that don't understand the overall goal is to unite with the diaspora.

We're simply doing the necessary work and protecting our ethnicity so that we can start enforcing that others treat us with the respect that we require.

This notion of a diaspora seems to be one-way traffic. Once Black immigrants get here, they give us their asses to kiss while they hug up under white folks. You can't build unity with parasites who have no sense of brotherhood.

We see how the Haitian border crisis played out. Those were not FBA on horses whipping those refugees...

capitanplanetita · 1/5/22

Jay said:
Part of it is Black Americans fault because no one is going to respect someone who doesn't respect themselves. Think about if you're in Prison and you're handing out soups, cigarettes, etc...do you think it's going to buy you loyalty? NOPE! People are going to think you're a freaking idiot and they'll bleed you dry, rob you, and when you have no more commissary to give they'll act like they never knew you.

That's what happened to us so this tension we are seeing is natural. You're always going to see tension when someone who previously didn't have a boundary starts to establish one. The one that is changing up is Black Americans...everyone is like "you always let us eat off your plate and now you have a problem?" I think it's natural and it's good but we have a bunch of idiots that don't understand the overall goal is to unite with the diaspora.

We're simply doing the necessary work and protecting our ethnicity so that we can start enforcing that others treat us with the respect that we require.

JHC is FBA, not an immigrant. Also you got it backward jay. The immigrants who come here try to take advantage of FBAs. FBAs are not taking it anymore.

Jay · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
This notion of a diaspora seems to be one-way traffic. Once Black immigrants get here, they give us their asses to kiss while they hug up under white folks. You can't build unity with parasites who have no sense of brotherhood.

We see how the Haitian border crisis played out. Those were not FBA on horses whipping those refugees...

capitanplanetita said:
JHC is FBA, not an immigrant. Also you got it backward jay. The immigrants who come here try to take advantage of FBAs. FBAs are not taking it anymore.

Y’all should re-read my prison analogy.

“Think about if you're in Prison and you're handing out soups, cigarettes, etc...do you think it's going to buy you loyalty? NOPE! People are going to think you're a freaking idiot and they'll bleed you dry, rob you, and when you have no more commissary to give they'll act like they never knew you.”

Black Americans have been the metaphorical person in the prison being ultra nice to everyone. It was not met with love and loyalty it was exploited by cutthroat savages who stepped on us the first chance they got.

I clearly said “part of the problem” I didn’t absolve immigrants of any culpability. But pointing fingers at immigrants is highlighting the symptom. The problem is:

We are the bottom caste in a racial hierarchy
We are too passive, inclusive, and crave acceptance

So we can call out the coons but we gotta do the work too.

Blackgravity · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
I just read a good article about this issue. I first noticed the schism between FBA kids and Black immigrant kids in high school in Brooklyn. I noticed it the most with Haitian kids.

What are your thoughts on the manner in which Black immigrants come to America, exploit the work of FBAs for their gain and remain detached from the FBA history, experiences and pain? I personally am torn. On one hand, I hate to see any Black person suffer. On the other hand, I have no desire to lock arms with any Black person born abroad who feels more kinship with European descendants than us. The Haitian Border Crisis is a good example.

The article is here:

Who is black in America? Ethnic tensions flare between black Americans and black immigrants.

The rancor provides a peek into a broader debate about identity in America, raising questions about how a changing black population sees itself and is seen by the majority.

www.google.com

I think a lot of the hate we get from immigrants boils down to straight up jealousy. No other explanation, FBA for the most part mind our business. Being an FBA, I could see why they'd be jealous.

CarlX · 1/6/22

Blackgravity said:
I think a lot of the hate we get from immigrants boils down to straight up jealousy. No other explanation, FBA for the most part mind our business. Being an FBA, I could see why they'd be jealous.

Jealousy and a desire to position themselves as the "favored" Blacks. Favored for what I don't know.

CarlX · 1/6/22

Jay said:
Y’all should re-read my prison analogy.

“Think about if you're in Prison and you're handing out soups, cigarettes, etc...do you think it's going to buy you loyalty? NOPE! People are going to think you're a freaking idiot and they'll bleed you dry, rob you, and when you have no more commissary to give they'll act like they never knew you.”

Black Americans have been the metaphorical person in the prison being ultra nice to everyone. It was not met with love and loyalty it was exploited by cutthroat savages who stepped on us the first chance they got.

I clearly said “part of the problem” I didn’t absolve immigrants of any culpability. But pointing fingers at immigrants is highlighting the symptom. The problem is:

We are the bottom caste in a racial hierarchy

We are too passive, inclusive, and crave acceptance

So we can call out the coons but we gotta do the work too.

Bottom caste in whos eyes? I don't see myself as inferior in any way to people who have to lick white ass to remain in America. I don't see FBA as particularly amiable towards immigrants. The lack of response to the Haitian border crisis illustrates my point.

Blackgravity · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
Jealousy and a desire to position themselves as the "favored" Blacks. Favored for what I don't know.

I don't think it's for favor I honestly think they are straight up scared of white people scared of getting kicked out and sent back to the place they ran from. Imagine if all of the immigrants with African lineage got on code with FBA... The power we could wield.

SIXDIMENSIONS · 1/6/22

I know my genetics. I mean I know my genome type. Im not waiting on the "rescue boat". If someone took my kids my life would have a different direction. I havent met anyone in the world who acted like the transatlantic situation was a travesty. No country or continent is concerned with Black Americans. My personal history starts here. I always looked at africans as immigrants to whom i have no relationship with. Them being on the same page as us would dramatically change the landscape. Maybe it would be different if the africans told US the story. They have sat back and let the world rape OUR country.

Jay · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
Bottom caste in whos eyes? I don't see myself as inferior in any way to people who have to lick white ass to remain in America. I don't see FBA as particularly amiable towards immigrants. The lack of response to the Haitian border crisis illustrates my point.

In the USA there is a racial hierarchy instituted by the White powers that be, Whites at the top and Black Americans at the bottom.

Every group that comes here pledges allegiance to this hierarchy. We as Black Americans pushed for dismantling the racial quotas in the immigration system thinking we were going to have more allies come into the USA.

We didn’t. We got flooded with a bunch of self-interested people who stepped on us the first opportunity they got. Instead of peeping this, we kept trying to forge alliances which is why terms like black and brown, minority, people of color, etc used to fly in Black American culture.

In the past 10 years this has changed but we have to look at it in its entirety. People treat you how you treat yourself. We laid on the floor like a doormat for these people willingly and they walked on us…that’s the natural order.

We cannot be doormats. So while we can point to those who are not on code with us, we need to fix our internal issues so that others can see that the days of the doormat are over.

capitanplanetita · 1/6/22

capitanplanetita said:
JHC is FBA. The immigrants who come here try to take advantage of FBAs. FBAs are not taking it anymore. That being said too many FBAs will not reach the promoised land. They want friends, not power. In that case you are right. But enough Black people want power, not friends. Who needs the immigrant friends and with friends like those you need no enemies.

CarlX · 1/6/22

Jay said:
In the USA there is a racial hierarchy instituted by the White powers that be, Whites at the top and Black Americans at the bottom.

Every group that comes here pledges allegiance to this hierarchy. We as Black Americans pushed for dismantling the racial quotas in the immigration system thinking we were going to have more allies come into the USA.

We didn’t. We got flooded with a bunch of self-interested people who stepped on us the first opportunity they got. Instead of peeping this, we kept trying to forge alliances which is why terms like black and brown, minority, People of Color aka Everyone but Black Americans, etc used to fly in Black American culture.

In the past 10 years this has changed but we have to look at it in its entirety. People treat you how you treat yourself. We laid on the floor like a doormat for these people willingly and they walked on us…that’s the natural order.

We cannot be doormats. So while we can point to those who are not on code with us, we need to fix our internal issues so that others can see that the days of the doormat are over.

So very true. The internal issues are so deep. With that being said, alliances with Black immigrants will never be formed because they align themselves with the dominant society upon arrival. That has never been FBAs.

Mastamind · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
So very true. The internal issues are so deep. With that being said, alliances with Black immigrants will never be formed because they align themselves with the dominant society upon arrival. That has never been FBAs.

As a son of an immigrant, the second to last sentence isn't always true, matter of fact it's the opposite in most cases, especially in countries where this country has assassinated the leaders that were trying to gain autonomy, not to mention the same government that participate in the raping and pillaging of our natural resources. I, as well as many other Africans, do not align with this country and it's status quo....we share the same enemy.

One thing I do agree with is that we do have our own problems, and should unite within our respective communities to solve them whether you're FBA or African. The constant diaspora wars are nothing more than a distraction to our goals, and I for one am an ally; it legitimately pisses me off seeing Africans shit on FBAs.

CarlX · 1/6/22

Mastamind said:
As a son of an immigrant, the second to last sentence isn't always true, matter of fact it's the opposite in most cases, especially in countries where this country has assassinated the leaders that were trying to gain autonomy, not to mention the same government that participate in the raping and pillaging of our natural resources. I, as well as many other Africans, do not align with this country and it's status quo....we share the same enemy.

One thing I do agree with is that we do have our own problems, and should unite within our respective communities to solve them whether you're FBA or African. The constant diaspora wars are nothing more than a distraction to our goals, and I for one am an ally; it legitimately pisses me off seeing Africans shit on FBAs.

It is indeed true. I went to school with Black immigrants and worked around them for years in Corporate America. I observed how they moved and noticed alarming patterns. Most perceive themselves as "different" from FBAs until they get that inevitable wakeup call.

What I find interesting is how white Jesus is still deified in much of Africa and the Caribbean. Kenya is something like 85% Christian. I was floored when I learned this.

Jay · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
It is indeed true. I went to school with Black immigrants and worked around them for years in Corporate America. I observed how they moved and noticed alarming patterns. Most perceive themselves as "different" from FBAs until they get that inevitable wakeup call.

What I find interesting is how white Jesus is still deified in much of Africa and the Caribbean. Kenya is something like 85% Christian. I was floored when I learned this.

Here’s the thing, you have an actual person of recent African descent telling you that it isn’t 100% true. A person of recent African descent that listens to the same podcasts we do and is on the same message board that we are all on.

You can call out the coons without painting everyone with a broad brush. There’s so many real ass Continental Africans out here…the nigga that did a lot of the logistics for the FBA Conference is NIGERIAN!

One of the key niggas making the Hidden History Museum is NIGERIAN! Look, I get it…there is a lot of coons from all over the continent and the diaspora hence why we are a global underclass but the FBA shit is getting dogmatic and becoming just as bad as the tribal clowns on Naira land.

Do you really think that Black people are going to be able to just build up in America, UK, Brazil, etc and live in peace and harmony? Hell no. A weak Africa puts us all at risk.

You know why America doesn’t arrest Chinese people and brutalize them? Because of China! If you fuck with Chinese Americans, China will be on America’s ass. We have no home base to protect us, GLOBALLY. So do we need to be more insular, hell yeah. But insular so that we don’t let coons get in the mix, not to disassociate ourselves from Africa.

Lastly, Black Americans worship White Jesus too so how you gonna use that as a strike against Continental Africans?

Troy · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
So very true. The internal issues are so deep. With that being said, alliances with Black immigrants will never be formed because they align themselves with the dominant society upon arrival. That has never been FBAs.

Whats the end goal for you? IDFW tethers but how does being anti-Black Immigrant going to help anyone? Like Jay was saying we been a doormat and that’s on us. Why cant we just stop being door mats and not be anti-Black immigrant? Why not just be anti-Coon and let the cards fall where they will?

CarlX · 1/6/22

Jay said:
Here’s the thing, you have an actual person of recent African descent telling you that it isn’t 100% true. A person of recent African descent that listens to the same podcasts we do and is on the same message board that we are all on.

You can call out the coons without painting everyone with a broad brush. There’s so many real ass Continental Africans out here…the nigga that did a lot of the logistics for the FBA Conference is NIGERIAN!

One of the key niggas making the Hidden History Museum is NIGERIAN! Look, I get it…there is a lot of coons from all over the continent and the diaspora hence why we are a global underclass but the FBA shit is getting dogmatic and becoming just as bad as the tribal clowns on Naira land.

Do you really think that Black people are going to be able to just build up in America, UK, Brazil, etc and live in peace and harmony? Hell no. A weak Africa puts us all at risk.

You know why America doesn’t arrest Chinese people and brutalize them? Because of China! If you fuck with Chinese Americans, China will be on America’s ass. We have no home base to protect us, GLOBALLY. So do we need to be more insular, hell yeah. But insular so that we don’t let coons get in the mix, not to disassociate ourselves from Africa.

Lastly, Black Americans worship White Jesus too so how you gonna use that as a strike against Continental Africans?

Africa??? Half of Africa is already owned by the Chinese. East Coast. West Coast. Does not matter. The interesting thing about Africa is that the continent has far more Black billionaires than America, yet so many nations there sit on China's lap for "loans".

Africa can't be strong as long as its leaders are comprised. And this notion of diaspora is laughable until Black immigrants are willing and able to do the work to learn true Black History in America. Until then, our African "brothers" will continue getting their "facts" from white mainstream media.

Troy said:
Whats the end goal for you? IDFW tethers but how does being anti-Black Immigrant going to help anyone? Like Jay was saying we been a doormat and that’s on us. Why cant we just stop being door mats and not be anti-Black immigrant? Why not just be anti-Coon and let the cards fall where they will?

I don't hate Black immigrants. I actually pity them. Most of them don't even know their own national history. It's sad when I know more about the history of Nigeria, Liberia, Guyana and Jamaica than its own citizens do.

The end goal for me is FBAs must understand that we have no allies. None. No one who is for us would come to America and take pride in allowing themselves to be weaponized against FBAs, but that's exactly what many of them do.

Calling FBAs "doormats" is a cowardly deflection from the facts at hand. The fact is that we have blood in the soil of America. Black immigrants do not. The fact is that most of us refuse to worship the religion of people whose ancestors enslaved our own. Can't say that about many Black immigrants. The fact is that a large percentage of Black immigrants resent the notion of Reparations for FBAs. These are all facts, not feelings. In light of these facts, how does this notion of unity between between FBAs and Black immigrants have plausibility? It doesn't. That's where we are right now, and no amount of obfuscation, deflection, goose-stepping or revisionist history will change that.

CarlX · 1/6/22

Troy said:
Whats the end goal for you? IDFW tethers but how does being anti-Black Immigrant going to help anyone? Like Jay was saying we been a doormat and that’s on us. Why cant we just stop being door mats and not be anti-Black immigrant? Why not just be anti-Coon and let the cards fall where they will?

I'm as yellow as a banana, yet I am proud to call myself a Black man. Most Africans and Caribbeans will react like you spit on their grandma if you refer to them as "Black". A term of racial identification is more offensive to them than Europeans and Chinese raping their lands of its vital resources. Make it make sense because I sure can't.

Jay · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
Africa??? Half of Africa is already owned by the Chinese. East Coast. West Coast. Does not matter. The interesting thing about Africa is that the continent has far more Black billionaires than America, yet so many nations there sit on China's lap for "loans".

Africa can't be strong as long as its leaders are comprised. And this notion of diaspora is laughable until Black immigrants are willing and able to do the work to learn true Black History in America. Until then, our African "brothers" will continue getting their "facts" from white mainstream media.

Africans and the diaspora don’t have to learn Black American history to lift themselves up. We can be an inspiration but people on the continent need to research Lumumba, Nkrumah, Malenma and etc to understand the importance of controlling your own resources. They also need to learn how to get over petty tribalism that allows them to be so easily subjugated.

CarlX said:
Calling FBAs "doormats" is a cowardly deflection from the facts at hand.

How is it a deflection? We’re we not talking about Black and Brown coalitions, minority rights, immigrant rights 15 years ago? We were the ones that fought to open the flood gates to non-white immigrants. Black Americans have caped for everyone but ourselves. We laid on the ground and served as the doormat everyone walked on to get here.

The immigrants got dumped in our neighborhoods and instead of resisting them. We ran to the Koreans to buy hair products, the Arab liquor store to buy beer, the $1 Chinese spot, we did that. While those people resisted doing business with us at all costs.

There’s a reason why all the major “black” institutions promote Black and brown and minority nonsense and why the democrats push it hard…BECAUSE IT WORKED.

So have we been done wrong? Yes. But we would be in a different situation if the previous two generations prioritized other Black Americans. Instead they took the White man’s ice is colder and said the immigrants ice is colder.

The Black race has culpability in all this too. Black Americans are not an island we are part of an overarching narrative of the destruction of black civilization. Our story is the story of an African people.

Rollie Forbes · 1/6/22

View: https://twitter.com/Jussieakafba/status/1478143105899511808?t=kW2HIG74zKHzkYF4DAFSFA&s=19

CarlX · 1/6/22

Jay said:
Africans and the diaspora don’t have to learn Black American history to lift themselves up. We can be an inspiration but people on the continent need to research Lumumba, Nkrumah, Malenma and etc to understand the importance of controlling your own resources. They also need to learn how to get over petty tribalism that allows them to be so easily subjugated.

How is it a deflection? We’re we not talking about Black and Brown coalitions, minority rights, immigrant rights 15 years ago? We were the ones that fought to open the flood gates to non-white immigrants. Black Americans have caped for everyone but ourselves. We laid on the ground and served as the doormat everyone walked on to get here.

The immigrants got dumped in our neighborhoods and instead of resisting them. We ran to the Koreans to buy hair products, the Arab liquor store to buy beer, the $1 Chinese spot, we did that. While those people resisted doing business with us at all costs.

There’s a reason why all the major “black” institutions promote Black and brown and minority nonsense and why the democrats push it hard…BECAUSE IT WORKED.

So have we been done wrong? Yes. But we would be in a different situation if the previous two generations prioritized other Black Americans. Instead they took the White man’s ice is colder and said the immigrants ice is colder.

The Black race has culpability in all this too. Black Americans are not an island we are part of an overarching narrative of the destruction of black civilization. Our story is the story of an African people.

Again, you are referring to the ghetto Pookies and Ray-Rays. I know because I lived in the Bronx for 18 years. The brothas you see buying Kennedy Fried Chicken, White Owls and Old E. at 2AM through a revolving plexiglass partition are Black America's unfortunate underbelly and don't represent FBA in entirety.

Africans OWN land and resources. Caribbeans too. What do FBAs own? That's the question you should be asking. Nigeria is an OPEC nation. How TF can an OPEC nation have widespread poverty? Guyana has a population of 700k. How can a nation with oil like Guyana and a tiny population have so much poverty?

Inatead of flinging their arms wide open to the Chinese and Europeans, these countries should be building coalitions with each other.

Haiti applied for membership to the African Union about 8 years ago and was denied. Why was the first Black nation to cast off European domination denied membership into the African Union?

Do you remember the film 'Black Panther'? Do you remember how T'Challa's father killed his own brother in that Oakland housing projects apartment over Vibranium without even blinking an eye? Do you also remember when Black Panther captured Klaw in South Korea, but refused to kill him because "the world is watching"? In other words, Black Panther's father had no hesitancy about killing his own brother, but Black Panther felt humanity towards the man who murdered that same father years earlier with a bomb at the U.N. This film was a brilliant depiction of the mental and spiritual illness that grips Black people worldwide.

I could go on and on about this film, as well as the film 'Widows', but I would be here all night.

Jay · 1/6/22

CarlX said:
Again, you are referring to the ghetto Pookies and Ray-Rays. I know because I lived in the Bronx for 18 years. The brothas you see buying Kennedy Fried Chicken, White Owls and Old E. at 2AM through a revolving plexiglass partition are Black America's unfortunate underbelly and don't represent FBA in entirety.

https://nul.org

"Enabling African Americans and other underserved urban residents to secure economic self-reliance, parity, power and civil rights."

Congressional Black Caucus

The Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) has been committed to using the full Constitutional power, statutory authority, and financial resources of the federal government to ensure that African Americans and other marginalized communities in the United States have the opportunity to achieve the...

cbc.house.gov

"Since its establishment in 1971, the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) has been committed to using the full Constitutional power, statutory authority, and financial resources of the federal government to ensure that African Americans and other marginalized communities in the United States"

We have an article that lists multiple agencies that propagated the Black and brown nonsense.

6ZEROS | Empowerment Focused Media By Black People, For Black People. |

Empowerment focused media. By Black people, for Black people.

www.6zeros.net

This Doormat stuff goes way beyond pookie and ray ray.

CarlX said:
Africans OWN land and resources. Caribbeans too. What do FBAs own? That's the question you should be asking. Nigeria is an OPEC nation. How TF can an OPEC nation have widespread poverty? Guyana has a population of 700k. How can a nation with oil like Guyana and a tiny population have so much poverty?

Inatead of flinging their arms wide open to the Chinese and Europeans, these countries should be building coalitions with each other.

You must not be reading my posts all the way because I literally said this:

"Africans and the diaspora don’t have to learn Black American history to lift themselves up. We can be an inspiration but people on the continent need to research Lumumba, Nkrumah, Malenma and etc to understand the importance of controlling your own resources. They also need to learn how to get over petty tribalism that allows them to be so easily subjugated."

CarlX said:
Haiti applied for membership to the African Union about 8 years ago and was denied. Why was the first Black nation to cast off European domination denied membership into the African Union?

Do you remember the film 'Black Panther'? Do you remember how T'Challa's father killed his own brother in that Oakland housing projects apartment over Vibranium without even blinking an eye? Do you also remember when Black Panther captured Klaw in South Korea, but refused to kill him because "the world is watching"? In other words, Black Panther's father had no hesitancy about killing his own brother, but Black Panther felt humanity towards the man who murdered that same father years earlier with a bomb at the U.N. This film was a brilliant depiction of the mental and spiritual illness that grips Black people worldwide.

I could go on and on about this film, as well as the film 'Widows', but I would be here all night.

I don't know why you're repeated the failures of Africa no one is caping for Africa. We know it's a failed continent. We know it's been colonized and dumb niggas like Mobutu sell their people out to the Europeans for a Mercedes Benz.

All I'm saying is that Africans are not our enemy, we are part of the story of Africa. Is there a lot of cooning going on? Yes. But there's brothas like this on the Continent too. We need to get our house straightened in the USA and then unite with Brothas like him not shun him.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISUCGwUgZo

We need a healthy, stable, and self-sufficient Africa.

Jay · 1/6/22

More Julius Malema...

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqnZ0Io9Z7M

If you can't see how this brotha is part of our liberation story then we have to agree to disagree. I'm all about our re-enlightment as Black Americans...I'm a proud Black American but my story is a page in a large book about Africa. I'm not separate from Africa...

I'm hated by the US because I'm African.
I'm oppressed in the US because I'm African.
My hair, nose, height, calves, everything about me is clearly African.

We have to be able to think short-term and long-term. Short-term as Black Americans we need to circle the wagons and advocate for self but long-term we need a strong and healthy Africa or else we are screwed.

Rollie Forbes · 1/13/22

View: https://twitter.com/blackdetta/status/1481365414353461252?t=6M5fha2pbuQzLG66TNLOsA&s=19

Jay_Judah202 · 1/13/22

My mother used to be a social worker for immigrants. Many of them told her that they are poisoned against FBA before they are granted green cards. They are being instructed to stay away from us. On top of that, the media portrays us in a very negative light so people all over the world think we're all ratchet and violent. There is a lot of misunderstanding between black immigrants and FBAs as a result.

Jay · 1/13/22

Jay_Judah202 said:
My mother used to be a social worker for immigrants. Many of them told her that they are poisoned against FBA before they are granted green cards. They are being instructed to stay away from us. On top of that, the media portrays us in a very negative light so people all over the world think we're all ratchet and violent. There is a lot of misunderstanding between black immigrants and FBAs as a result.

The thing I don't like is a lot of them can understand White Americans but then all of a sudden can't understand Black American cultural customs? Some come from homelands that were destabilized by the USA but then give White people a pass and then call us lazy. A lot of them allowed over are just straight up coons and I think they need to be called out because they been selling us out in Africa and they'll see us out here too. Like you said, there's a lot of misunderstanding and part of it is White supremacy and part is good ol' fashion dumb ass tribalism.

The Honorable · 1/13/22

Rollie Forbes said:
View: https://twitter.com/blackdetta/status/1481365414353461252?t=6M5fha2pbuQzLG66TNLOsA&s=19

This is disingenuous, we were forced into Blackness by our oppressor. The second the boot was slightly lifted off our neck we acted similar to all the other colonized Black people and started kissing the White Man's ass. That's why Malcolm X was so polarizing at the time because self-sufficiency and doing for self were not something we stood for as Black Americans. A lot of Black Americans just wanted White acceptance, they would have given up a Black identity and blended into Whiteness in a heartbeat if given the chance.

As Black Americans we were told we were Black and then said "...and proud". Adopting a Black identity when everyone around you is Black doesn't make all that much sense. Now we you factor in a global system of White supremacy, Africans having a unified Black identity makes sense but in a nation of all Black people, nah.

Jay_Judah202 · 1/14/22

Jay said:
The thing I don't like is a lot of them can understand White Americans but then all of a sudden can't understand Black American cultural customs? Some come from homelands that were destabilized by the USA but then give White people a pass and then call us lazy. A lot of them allowed over are just straight up coons and I think they need to be called out because they been selling us out in Africa and they'll see us out here too. Like you said, there's a lot of misunderstanding and part of it is White supremacy and part is good ol' fashion dumb ass tribalism.

I agree. They should know better. You're right about the coons being the only ones granted green cards. Anyone too radical is denied.

Victorystatus · 1/14/22

CarlX said:
I just read a good article about this issue. I first noticed the schism between FBA kids and Black immigrant kids in high school in Brooklyn. I noticed it the most with Haitian kids.

What are your thoughts on the manner in which Black immigrants come to America, exploit the work of FBAs for their gain and remain detached from the FBA history, experiences and pain? I personally am torn. On one hand, I hate to see any Black person suffer. On the other hand, I have no desire to lock arms with any Black person born abroad who feels more kinship with European descendants than us. The Haitian Border Crisis is a good example.

The article is here:

Who is black in America? Ethnic tensions flare between black Americans and black immigrants.

The rancor provides a peek into a broader debate about identity in America, raising questions about how a changing black population sees itself and is seen by the majority.

www.google.com

Part of this is our previous generations fault for not checking these people paperwork consistently through the decades and not allowing them to roam around like sleeper cells. Now we have the burdensome duty to draw the line and hold it. The disappointing part about this that its plays right into our definition of what kuhns/bedwenches are. I am starting to recognize everytime we get right into the economic repair that is owed, the import negros have an opinion. I am also beginning to believe this a play being make by the dominant society. The riff between Black Immigrants and Native is when they try to water down our domestic politics with the slave ship trope. These Immigrants will want us to fight their fight on top of ours, meanwhile they have a whole continent they are allowing to go up for invasion by the Arabs, Russians, Chinese and USAID.
#HYON

Jay · 1/14/22

Jay_Judah202 said:
I agree. They should know better. You're right about the coons being the only ones granted green cards. Anyone too radical is denied.

Yup and I think it's Important that we frame it that way. A lot of people are making it a Us vs. Them where it's FBA vs. Immigrants and that's problematic. It should be On-Code vs. Coons. If we are On-Code vs. Coons then no coon is safe regardless of ethnicity and all brothers and sisters that are down for the fight are accepted.

The Honorable · 1/14/22

Victorystatus said:
Part of this is our previous generations fault for not checking these people paperwork consistently through the decades and not allowing them to roam around like sleeper cells. Now we have the burdensome duty to draw the line and hold it. The disappointing part about this that its plays right into our definition of what kuhns/bedwenches are. I am starting to recognize everytime we get right into the economic repair that is owed, the import negros have an opinion. I am also beginning to believe this a play being make by the dominant society. The riff between Black Immigrants and Native is when they try to water down our domestic politics with the slave ship trope. These Immigrants will want us to fight their fight on top of ours, meanwhile they have a whole continent they are allowing to go up for invasion by the Arabs, Russians, Chinese and USAID.
#HYON

You're correct but we have to be aware that cooning is not ethnic exclusive so for every Luvi there is, there's a Larry Elder. We should be stomp down about going after coons. Like Brother Jay was saying earlier, if we are on a FBA vs. Immigrant tirade then that would make us against Julius Malema and brothers like that who are fighting for freedom and unity. We have to have balance in how we approach this. We can be pro-FBA without being anti-anything.

Rollie Forbes · 1/14/22

(http://imgur.com/a/aHBWfzp) View: https://imgur.com/a/aHBWfzp

CarlX · 1/15/22

Jay said:
If you can't see how this brotha is part of our liberation story then we have to agree to disagree. I'm all about our re-enlightment as Black Americans...I'm a proud Black American but my story is a page in a large book about Africa. I'm not separate from Africa...

I'm hated by the US because I'm African.

I'm oppressed in the US because I'm African.

My hair, nose, height, calves, everything about me is clearly African.

We have to be able to think short-term and long-term. Short-term as Black Americans we need to circle the wagons and advocate for self but long-term we need a strong and healthy Africa or else we are screwed.

If you think Africans are hated in America as intensely as FBAs are, then I have some nice beachfront property in North Dakota for sale if you're interested. Most Africans are oblivious to just how much FBAs were brutalized, demonized and humanized in America because a large portion of them still see the white man as God. I have friends in Kenya and Nigeria, so I know what I'm talking about.

As long as African governments are selling their ass to the Europeans and Chinese, how can Africa ever be strong, whole and independent? That makes no sense at all.

CarlX · 1/15/22

Jay said:
Yup and I think it's Important that we frame it that way. A lot of people are making it a Us vs. Them where it's FBA vs. Immigrants and that's problematic. It should be On-Code vs. Coons. If we are On-Code vs. Coons then no coon is safe regardless of ethnicity and all brothers and sisters that are down for the fight are accepted.

How many "on code" Black immigrants do you know? I live in NYC and have met precious few in my 58 years on earth.

If we're going to have this conversation, we must first be honest with ourselves. Being delusional serves no one's best interests.

CarlX · 1/15/22

So true. They try to separate themselves from us, thinking that doing so will curry (pardon the pun) favor from white people. I saw it a lot when I worked in Corporate America. Very sad phenomenon.

Jay · 1/15/22

CarlX said:
If you think Africans are hated in America as intensely as FBAs are, then I have some nice beachfront property in North Dakota for sale if you're interested. Most Africans are oblivious to just how much FBAs were brutalized, demonized and humanized in America because a large portion of them still see the white man as God. I have friends in Kenya and Nigeria, so I know what I'm talking about.

As long as African governments are selling their ass to the Europeans and Chinese, how can Africa ever be strong, whole and independent? That makes no sense at all.

I never said that Black Immigrants didn’t have preferential treatment. I also never said there wasn’t a coon epidemic on the continent. I said that clearly when I said we need more Lumumba’s and less Mobutu’s. You can’t just make up my argument for me. I’m clearly saying that things aren’t ideal but that being anti-immigrant or African is counter productive and promotes tribalism. If someone is from Sierra Leone and is on code then that’s my nigga straight up.

CarlX said:
How many "on code" Black immigrants do you know? I live in NYC and have met precious few in my 58 years on earth.

If we're going to have this conversation, we must first be honest with ourselves. Being delusional serves no one's best interests.

I don’t know many but I also don’t know a ton of on code Black Americans either. We just have a difference in philosophy at the end of the day…I’m anti-coon and coward I don’t care about ethnicity. Larry Elder is no better to me than Luvi just because he’s Black American.

Nesut · 1/15/22

CarlX said:
So true. They try to separate themselves from us, thinking that doing so will curry (pardon the pun) favor from white people. I saw it a lot when I worked in Corporate America. Very sad phenomenon.

Facts I have seen this time and time again. Most negros in corporate America that rise up the ranks be on some sell out shit. They don’t let real niggas have power. All the real Niggas stuck in the call center.

Tati 304 · 1/15/22

Rollie Forbes said:
(http://imgur.com/a/aHBWfzp) View: https://imgur.com/a/aHBWfzp

I see this all the time here in FL. A lot of these places never had a civil rights movement or Black empowerment movement so there is no value on Blackness, they run from it like the plague.

Rollie Forbes · 1/15/22

MLK speaks on the subject:

View: https://twitter.com/NotherBrother/status/1482360320534450176?t=1m_yvBgEMy_0lfby8GRbKw&s=19

CarlX · 1/15/22

Jay said:
I never said that Black Immigrants didn’t have preferential treatment. I also never said there wasn’t a coon epidemic on the continent. I said that clearly when I said we need more Lumumba’s and less Mobutu’s. You can’t just make up my argument for me. I’m clearly saying that things aren’t ideal but that being anti-immigrant or African is counter productive and promotes tribalism. If someone is from Sierra Leone and is on code then that’s my nigga straight up.

I don’t know many but I also don’t know a ton of on code Black Americans either. We just have a difference in philosophy at the end of the day…I’m anti-coon and coward I don’t care about ethnicity. Larry Elder is no better to me than Luvi just because he’s Black American.

I try to avoid referring to other Black folks as "niggas". Secondly, I don't hate Africans. I merely acknowledge the fact that the vast majority refuse to divest themselves of White Daddy Syndrome. They LOVE European soccer, LOVE the idea of interracial sexual access and have no problem being weaponized against FBAs. If someone does not and will not see racism through a truth-based prism, it's very hard to lock arms with them.

Im don't hate white people. I merely acknowledge the fact that their ancestors did grievous harm to mine. Being oblivious doesn't help our people at all.

You reference African revolutionaries. I know who most of them are. In fact, my father read books on them when ai was growing up and educated me about some of them. These revolutionaries are outliers. Most Africans and Black immigrants are not revolution-minded and never will be. Most Black immigrants want to come to America, make money, educate their children around whites and live in the suburbs up under whites. They're not looking to rock any boats. These are nothing but facts I've stated, no matter how much you try to deny, deflect and gaslight.

Jay · 1/15/22

CarlX said:
I try to avoid referring to other Black folks as "niggas". Secondly, I don't hate Africans. I merely acknowledge the fact that the vast majority refuse to divest themselves of White Daddy Syndrome. They LOVE European soccer, LOVE the idea of interracial sexual access and have no problem being weaponized against FBAs. If someone does not and will not see racism through a truth-based prism, it's very hard to lock arms with them.

Im don't hate white people. I merely acknowledge the fact that their ancestors did grievous harm to mine. Being oblivious doesn't help our people at all.

You reference African revolutionaries. I know who most of them are. In fact, my father read books on them when ai was growing up and educated me about some of them. These revolutionaries are outliers. Most Africans and Black immigrants are not revolution-minded and never will be. Most Black immigrants want to come to America, make money, educate their children around whites and live in the suburbs up under whites. They're not looking to rock any boats. These are nothing but facts I've stated, no matter how much you try to deny, deflect and gaslight.

I never disagreed with any of this, this is actually my stance. Now you’re saying “most“ which is different than how you started in this thread. You came in saying ALL and even told a Continental African that he was wrong about not all of them being coons. Thats where you and I diverged.

Rollie Forbes · 1/15/22

View: https://twitter.com/Jussieakafba/status/1482343579322404867?t=Bjopdz5iX6qZ8p_2l8kaEw&s=19

Rex Lawrence · 1/15/22

I have had really good friends who came to the US for university, and dated this really gorgeous girl whose father was Jamaican. She had zero accent and seemed fully American.

I currently have four of my staff from Kenya. The first curry I tasted, back inn elementary school, was made by a grad student from East Africa.

What I have learned is that Africans, in the university environment are put off
By the same issues that Dr Claude Anderson has been talking about for years.

Boss Hog · 1/15/22

I’m tired of coons too but what‘s end goal of more tribalism? That shit is why africa is a hell hole now cuz niggas cant link up because they see each other as different ethnicities and not a single race.

Rex Lawrence said:
What I have learned is that Africans, in the university environment are put off
By the same issues that Dr Claude Anderson has been talking about for years.

What do you mean by this?

Rex Lawrence · 1/15/22

Boss Hog said:
I’m tired of coons too but what‘s end goal of more tribalism? That shit is why africa is a hell hole now cuz niggas cant link up because they see each other as different ethnicities and not a single race.

What do you mean by this?

I had a close friend from Nigeria who was getting his Masters degree then PhD in electrical engineering. He came froma wealthy family and had never known white racism American style. He was outraged and angry about it.

He was also puzzled by how African Americans spent so much energy on recreation and looking for sex instead of digging in to difficult subjects so they could have financial success after graduation.

He couldn't understand why the way of speech was so different from standard English, and how no one semed to realize that was a career limiting factor.

He also had trouble with the lack of business formation. His goal was to form a business. He did obtain a number of patent in future years.

That is just my experience

Jay · 1/15/22

Rex Lawrence said:
He was also puzzled by how African Americans spent so much energy on recreation and looking for sex instead of digging in to difficult subjects so they could have financial success after graduation.

He couldn't understand why the way of speech was so different from standard English, and how no one semed to realize that was a career limiting factor.

Oh he was a coon, makes sense.

CarlX · 1/16/22

Jay said:
I never disagreed with any of this, this is actually my stance. Now you’re saying “most“ which is different than how you started in this thread. You came in saying ALL and even told a Continental African that he was wrong about not all of them being coons. Thats where you and I diverged.

I never said ALL and would never say ALL. I said MOST. And what I said applies to most. Again, I don't hate Black immigrants and never will. But I refuse to pretend that they are allies of FBAs when they clearly are not.

The notion of a Black diaspora is comical because there exists no unity between FBAs, Caribbeans and Africans.

Rex Lawrence said:
I had a close friend from Nigeria who was getting his Masters degree then PhD in electrical engineering. He came froma wealthy family and had never known white racism American style. He was outraged and angry about it.

He was also puzzled by how African Americans spent so much energy on recreation and looking for sex instead of digging in to difficult subjects so they could have financial success after graduation.

He couldn't understand why the way of speech was so different from standard English, and how no one semed to realize that was a career limiting factor.

He also had trouble with the lack of business formation. His goal was to form a business. He did obtain a number of patent in future years.

That is just my experience

I have a friend from Nigeria now living in PA. We worked together as paralegals years ago. He had a law degree in Nigeria or London, but never passed the bar exam. He's taken it several times since I last saw him. He told me he's worked various odd jobs over the years since moving from Long Island to PA. Very nice guy, but acting like ALL Nigerians are success stories is comical. There are Nigerians who sit on the Internet all day pretending to be white men/white women and Forex traders -- SCAM ARTISTS. There are many Nigerian women who beg men online for money. So if we want to talk about "model" Blacks like Nigerians, let's also talk about the SCAM ARTISTS and hustlers too, but y'all don't have the balls as men to have that conversation.

This notion that all FBAs chase sex, are lazy and lack motivation is laughable and offensive.I had two sick parents (heart disease, Parkinson's) in the 90s and a sibling with Down Syndrome while working full-time as a mail carrier in another county and going to school part-time at night. I obtained my degree in 1996. I lost both parents in 1997. A lazy person would not have persevered for years like I did while dealing with all that I dealt with. And there are more like me, but people like you won't know that because you get your cowardly white talking points from cowardly white mainstream media like CNN (Clown News Network), MSNBC and FOX Noose. Some FBAs must have bullied you cats in middle school and you never received therapy for the emotional scars. Sad human beings.

Jay · 1/16/22

CarlX said:
I never said ALL and would never say ALL. I said MOST. And what I said applies to most. Again, I don't hate Black immigrants and never will. But I refuse to pretend that they are allies of FBAs when they clearly are not.

The notion of a Black diaspora is comical because there exists no unity between FBAs, Caribbeans and Africans.

I have a friend from Nigeria now living in PA. We worked together as paralegals years ago. He had a law degree in Nigeria or London, but never passed the bar exam. He's taken it several times since I last saw him. He told me he's worked various odd jobs over the years since moving from Long Island to PA. Very nice guy, but acting like ALL Nigerians are success stories is comical. There are Nigerians who sit on the Internet all day pretending to be white men/white women and Forex traders -- SCAM ARTISTS. There are many Nigerian women who beg men online for money. So if we want to talk about "model" Blacks like Nigerians, let's also talk about the SCAM ARTISTS and hustlers too, but y'all don't have the balls as men to have that conversation.

This notion that all FBAs chase sex, are lazy and lack motivation is laughable and offensive.I had two sick parents (heart disease, Parkinson's) in the 90s and a sibling with Down Syndrome while working full-time as a mail carrier in another county and going to school part-time at night. I obtained my degree in 1996. I lost both parents in 1997. A lazy person would not have persevered for years like I did while dealing with all that I dealt with. And there are more like me, but people like you won't know that because you get your cowardly white talking points from cowardly white mainstream media like CNN (Clown News Network), MSNBC and FOX Noose. Some FBAs must have bullied you cats in middle school and you never received therapy for the emotional scars. Sad human beings.

On top of that all you have to do is look at Nigeria, if they had all the answers they wouldn’t be coming here. Eko Atlantic is being built by Chinese not by Nigerians, they should be ashamed. They have natural resources and still flee then call us lazy, we let the disrespect go for too long.

“Why are they so lazy?” But just got rescued from this shit in the land of all the resources.

Boss Hog · 1/16/22

Rex Lawrence said:
I had a close friend from Nigeria who was getting his Masters degree then PhD in electrical engineering. He came froma wealthy family and had never known white racism American style. He was outraged and angry about it.

He was also puzzled by how African Americans spent so much energy on recreation and looking for sex instead of digging in to difficult subjects so they could have financial success after graduation.

He couldn't understand why the way of speech was so different from standard English, and how no one semed to realize that was a career limiting factor.

He also had trouble with the lack of business formation. His goal was to form a business. He did obtain a number of patent in future years.

That is just my experience

Did you ever ask him why the people in his homeland live in abject poverty?

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