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[MR-D-ROB]

What do you feel is a realistic proposal for reparations?

Give specific details. Dollar amount. Payment/Lump Sum or Combination of both.

If payments over how long.?

What other things should be included such as housing grants, education benefits, tax exempt status, making black people a protected class, anti black hate crimes legislation, and police reform with strict punishment provisions?

Should it be implemented by federal government, state government or both?

What should the qualifications be? How would one go about proving those qualifications? Who would be exempt? Is there an age requirement?

How does an individual apply for their benefits? What government agency is going to be responsible for implementation?

 

[Deleted member 1946]

This is a great question you have asked. I would say the federal government and state government should be involved since they both benefitted from our labor. And cash payments must be at the forefront. No exceptions.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

So if we were looking at payments in amount of say $2,000 per month to every African American adult (descendant of slaves) that would come to $600+ billion per year. That's realistic and reasonable.

Housing grants could be applied in a manner similar to how the Veterans Affairs applies home loans for veterans.

You still have to meet certain qualifications but it's much easier and generally doesn't require anything down. You're just responsible for closing costs. The government doesn't pay the loan, they just back and guarantee it. You then use that to choose a bank or mortgage company to finance you.

Same could be done for education benefits. Alternately they could make up to a bachelor's degree free at any public institution. Another option is that up to $40,000 is covered at an accredited institution of your choice towards a degree of technical training.

This should all be covered by both the federal government and the states. Southern states that participated in slavery should have to pay a larger proponent. States that refuse to participate should have federal funding for other programs withdrawn to go towards covering reparations costs.

The age requirement for cash payments in my opinion should be 21. All other benefits should start at age 18.

A new government agency should be created to oversee the administration of these benefits.

I would forgo exempt from income tax. However property tax of any form we should be exempt from.

While this is costly I think it's going to pay for itself at least in part in a way.

More education means more people working. This creates new income tax revenue.(This is my reason for not exempting from income tax)

The monthly payments is going to give people money to help fund starting businesses. This is also going to bring in more income tax revenue.

All in all it's a win win. This would even stimulate the economy which is going to result in higher revenue for companies and result in more taxes coming in. (Of course that's if government holds companies to account to pay their fair share and not find loopholes to avoid taxes).

 

[Deleted member 1946]

What do you feel is a realistic proposal for reparations?

Give specific details. Dollar amount. Payment/Lump Sum or Combination of both.

If payments over how long.?

What other things should be included such as housing grants, education benefits, tax exempt status, making black people a protected class, anti black hate crimes legislation, and police reform with strict punishment provisions?

Should it be implemented by federal government, state government or both?

What should the qualifications be? How would one go about proving those qualifications? Who would be exempt? Is there an age requirement?

How does an individual apply for their benefits? What government agency is going to be responsible for implementation?

I'm not quite sure. There would have to be an assurance included in there that they government or powers that be won't "give" it to us and then immediately and intentionally take it out of our bank accounts or crash the economy to where the reparations can't even be used. That's a scenario that I think is entirely likely. They will/might give it to us (e.g. reparations will be in every Black person's bank account who is part of the proper lineage by 9 am CST on Monday March 20, 2023), then crash the stock market and full economy as soon as the money is scheduled to be in our bank accounts. We would be the scape goat.

Back to the original question, I am not sure what an appropriate amount should be. Should it go to the adults? Should it be a one time thing or monthly/yearly? Should it be cash payments only? Should other things be included? I am for us getting housing grants, but I know there will be a cap on how many will be able to get them. I do think there should be education benefits such as a certain percent off of tuition if a person goes to a state run school (and that is regardless of whether the students gets additional assistance). I think we all should get tax exempt status. I don't know how this can be enforced at grocery stores with sales tax. We definitely need to be a protected class via anti Black hate crimes legislation and police reform with strict punishment provisions. Our people have been targeted enough.

I do know cash payments are a minimum. If every Black person whose lineage goes way back in the USA gets $1 million (and there are 40 million people), then that is $40 trillion dollars. This is why I am not sure about the amount. I also think good land has to be given to us since millions of acres were stolen. Not useless land nobody wants and not just in one state either or in a state that does not grow much but in the South where the biggest portion of our people are. The requirement has to be lineage based to 1865 and not just "Black people." I think proving it should be based on government records. The parents of a person, then grand parents then great grand parents, etc. That's the fairest way. I would think the adults would get it since the children are not old enough to know what to do it and actually take actions. Yes, I know a portion of the adults are not mature enough either, but it is still owed to us regardless. I would say recipients 18+ or older of a lineage as of a certain date. I am not sure which government entity would be responsible for implementing it. All I keep hearing online is the government, the government, the government. Yes, I know it would have to be put into the budget for the next cycle. I just don't see them wanting to raise the debt ceiling for us.

 

[RCNAL]

Obviously this is just my opinion. I don't know what the thrown about figure of 20 trillion comes out to but what I would personally like to see and I noted this I think in the reparations megathread, in addition to cash (and mid 6 figures is the bare minimum which I think 20 trillion comes out to be), but I am not sure. Which ever is larger as a start.

Also...

* No federal taxes for a negotiated period of time.
* No state taxes for FBAs living in any state that was part of the confederacy ,
* Your birth certificate has to show any historical reference for black: negro, colored, African American, Black, whatever. If you are mixed and your parents listed you as biracial, etc. then based on what you as an adult self identified as on driver's licenses, job applications, college admissions, etc.
* Any remaining affirmative action programs set up for FBAs are only for FBAs. Distinct lineage on Census, EEOC boxes for jobs, crime stats, etc.
* The money is non attachable. If your white wife or husband wants alimony, its non attachable. If you owe property taxes, its non attachable. Only if its proven to be used in a criminal enterprise like Pookie bought some bricks with it to flip.
* Sovereign lands, either federal and/or state lands in various areas of the country. Self governed and expressed and written laws or extradition, mineral rights, etc.. Just like Indian reservations, po po can't just roll up in there and must be given permission and escorted or whatever the local FBA sovereign land police department.
* Federal laws regarding marriage, etc are non applicable.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I'm really seeing some great ideas and add ons here.
This is why we need to talk about specific details. Without specifics the conversation about reparations just stalls and it's hypothetical!

 

[RCNAL]

Oh, another suggestion I forgot to add. You must sign for it. It doesn't just show up in your bank account. If you are a minor, your parent can or you can get it at 18 if you are a foster kid, adopted, etc. and your guardian is hating on you. Also to guard against a whole bunch of white folks adopting FBA kids and doing the 'child actor' fraud thing and use the money all up and its done by the time the kid turns 18.

Anyway, a statement, terms and agreement ,whatever you want to call it will include verbiage that says you attest to being a descendant of American slaves, Freedmen, etc, under penalty of law. That way anyone who claims and committed fraud can face MINIMUM penalties, both financial and prison. Also, you attest that you deserve it. Why? Larry Elder and Thomas Sowell and Sheriff Clarke are entitled to it, but they gotta be hypocrites to accept it. On a side note, I'd love to see Larry Elder asked since he is against it, would he forego a check if reparations is awarded? I'd love to hear his answer. Have him on record. lol

Anyway, a statement under penalty of law gives a legal basis to take someone's money back if they are scamming. Verbiage that the monies can be received if you are living abroad. Some people will want to go to to the motherland. For example, there are certain countries the government will not send your social security check to.

Also, if its a series of payments over months and years, a decision that will have to be made is that some companies will try and cheat you out of money by saying 'We will give you a lump sum now if you sign over your next 5 years of payments'. Maybe allow it but some protections involved on interest rate. Guard against the payday loan type game.

If you are in prison you still get your money. I'd suggest guarding against any verbiage and trick bag like the 13th amendment. The courts can't use your reparations to force you to pay fines or court judgments. They'll start arresting folks and white folks will start suing you for any thing. Fender benders will some how equal your check. If you are arrested and jailed your money isn't forfeited.

Verbiage to cover survivor benefits. One of my fear is that the police and others will feel more inclined to kill blacks so they won't have to pay out the rest of the money if its over time. Maybe verbiage that any unused portion due to death is paid out to a general fund or goes back into into the fund or whatever.

Also, a decision to be made if it can be passed down as part of your estate or in a trust or will?

 

[RCNAL]

HI, I think you mis understood what I suggest. 100 percent the coons are eligible. What I am suggesting is as part of the legal protections against people claiming to be FBA, in the terms and agreement a part saying you are both eligible and DESERVING....due to blah blah blah. Its a statement to both protect against lying and to make any stated anti reparations FBA look like a hypocrite getting it. Its petty, I admit....lol.

Here is my worry about being signed over to a spouse. You are gonna get a whole lot of Brads and Beckies tryna marry FBAs the same as white boys marrying Indian women back in the day and killing them (Tariq talked about this once). And the word will spread globally adn a whole lotta DR and Thai girls gonna really try to holla or get pregnant on purpose. I'd suggest if that's allowed to go to a surviving spouse, at least language saying if found that the person murdered them they don't get it. Just like insurance money if you murder for it.

 

[Roparker71]

What do you feel is a realistic proposal for reparations?

Give specific details. Dollar amount. Payment/Lump Sum or Combination of both.

If payments over how long.?

What other things should be included such as housing grants, education benefits, tax exempt status, making black people a protected class, anti black hate crimes legislation, and police reform with strict punishment provisions?

Should it be implemented by federal government, state government or both?

What should the qualifications be? How would one go about proving those qualifications? Who would be exempt? Is there an age requirement?

How does an individual apply for their benefits? What government agency is going to be responsible for implementation?

This is a good post... I've had this conversation with several people (for and against reparations)... personally, I'm FOR reparations... as to what form of reparations: give us the same thing that the red Natives get (cash payments, land & business grants, tax-free status, free medical/dental, etc.)... the qualifications should be based on lineage (just claiming "black" status won't cut it)... just a thought...