The Cookout

[sourgrapes]

I don't have a hard time with this irl but online, it can be a bit hazy. I always see white people supporting blacks and black communities but I know for sure a lot of them are just doing it to make themselves look better and feel better which is a cop-out and pathetic to me. I know there are some who sincerely mean well and I don't want to mix them up. How can you tell the difference online?

 

[Deleted member 191]

Real talk, I don't think you can separate their social media life from their real one. So you have to take their real life behavior as their true self and their social media persona as the fake one.
These are some basic rhetorical questions I ask myself and then I proceed to observe the person (if possible) to determine if they do in fact "mean well".

Full Disclosure: I'm at the point in my life now where I don't think white people can be allies. It goes against their nature to feel anything other than superior to anyone and everyone that isn't white. But I have respect for my black brothers and sisters who do see a John Brown in some of them.

1. How many black friends do they have?
   • they support black communities and black businesses but have no black friends on social media or in real life - IMO probably virtue signaling
   • if they do have black friends they are people they friended online only and never met irl - IMO probably virtue signaling here too.
   • if they do have black friends in real life they are usually mixed race and mixed race black people's experience with racism is vastly different because of their lighter skin - Now this isn't the white person's fault as where they live and other situations factor in to the people they meet, but I feel like this is probably virtue signaling because they're using the black part of that person to "invisibility cloak" themselves as "see I'm not racist, here's my black friend" when the truth is they're friends with them because they take comfort in knowing that person is also white like they are.
   • When they throw parties and either your invitation feels like it was an after-thought or you're the only black person there - probably virtue signaling.
2. How do they handle getting corrected for saying or doing something racially inappropriate or insensitive in front of their black friends?
   • If they get defensive and don't take the time to listen to where their black friends are coming from - they've been virtue signaling this whole time.
3. How do they handle being told that someone they're related to or are friends with said or did something racially inappropriate or insensitive in front of their black friends? - Basically, what type of people do they 4uck with when you're not around
   • See the response for rhetorical question #2.
4. Are they consistent or are they only supportive when it's popular?
   • If the only time you see or hear them talk about race and the issues behind it is when it's the current news topic but you don't ever feel like they're someone you can talk to personally about your own experiences - MFs are virtue signaling.

Now these are MY key questions I ask, but as you can see, it's really hard to judge someone's authenticity online without seeing how they live when they click "log off". So best practice is to treat them online the way we're treated in real life: Guilty (of Virtue Signaling in the first degree) until proven innocent (on all charges).

Sorry I wrote a novel. I do that sometimes. forgive me fam.

 

[sourgrapes]

Real talk, I don't think you can separate their social media life from their real one. So you have to take their real life behavior as their true self and their social media persona as the fake one.
These are some basic rhetorical questions I ask myself and then I proceed to observe the person (if possible) to determine if they do in fact "mean well".

Full Disclosure: I'm at the point in my life now where I don't think white people can be allies. It goes against their nature to feel anything other than superior to anyone and everyone that isn't white. But I have respect for my black brothers and sisters who do see a John Brown in some of them.

1. How many black friends do they have?
   • they support black communities and black businesses but have no black friends on social media or in real life - IMO probably virtue signaling
   • if they do have black friends they are people they friended online only and never met irl - IMO probably virtue signaling here too.
   • if they do have black friends in real life they are usually mixed race and mixed race black people's experience with racism is vastly different because of their lighter skin - Now this isn't the white person's fault as where they live and other situations factor in to the people they meet, but I feel like this is probably virtue signaling because they're using the black part of that person to "invisibility cloak" themselves as "see I'm not racist, here's my black friend" when the truth is they're friends with them because they take comfort in knowing that person is also white like they are.
   • When they throw parties and either your invitation feels like it was an after-thought or you're the only black person there - probably virtue signaling.
2. How do they handle getting corrected for saying or doing something racially inappropriate or insensitive in front of their black friends?
   • If they get defensive and don't take the time to listen to where their black friends are coming from - they've been virtue signaling this whole time.
3. How do they handle being told that someone they're related to or are friends with said or did something racially inappropriate or insensitive in front of their black friends? - Basically, what type of people do they 4uck with when you're not around
   • See the response for rhetorical question #2.
4. Are they consistent or are they only supportive when it's popular?
   • If the only time you see or hear them talk about race and the issues behind it is when it's the current news topic but you don't ever feel like they're someone you can talk to personally about your own experiences - MFs are virtue signaling.

Now these are MY key questions I ask, but as you can see, it's really hard to judge someone's authenticity online without seeing how they live when they click "log off". So best practice is to treat them online the way we're treated in real life: Guilty (of Virtue Signaling in the first degree) until proven innocent (on all charges).

Sorry I wrote a novel. I do that sometimes. forgive me fam.

No, I am glad you went into detail on this. I think it is important. Too many out there fake things just to get praised. I legit knew someone online (on another forum) who basically used his one black friend as a token to dismiss any issues or accusations of racism. He would always say "Well I have a black friend so I am not racist" but I knew he was. It isn't always easy to tell online like I said and as you mentioned. I guess we need to really take notice of things that happen in people's personal lives and offline to know for sure.

 

[Deleted member 191]

Too many out there fake things just to get praised. I legit knew someone online (on another forum) who basically used his one black friend as a token to dismiss any issues or accusations of racism. He would always say "Well I have a black friend so I am not racist" but I knew he was.

And this is precisely one of the reasons why I think that in general, they aren't capable of being allies. I would actually be perfectly happy if they took the position of look "I'm white and I acknowledge that I get a lot of leeway for that but despite that I will NOT openly act against you in your quest for justice." Because for 1) they're acknowledging their privilege and for 2) they are making a conscious decision not to exacerbate the circumstances. Because for white people to sit here and say they will help us dismantle a system that grants them the cheat code of life sounds illogical to me.

 

[Blackgravity]

I don't have a hard time with this irl but online, it can be a bit hazy. I always see white people supporting blacks and black communities but I know for sure a lot of them are just doing it to make themselves look better and feel better which is a cop-out and pathetic to me. I know there are some who sincerely mean well and I don't want to mix them up. How can you tell the difference online?

I don't worry about telling the difference, because I could care less if white people want to be helpful in any of our movements.
I see the BS everyday I drive through my neighborhood. I see all of these black lives matter signs in white peoples yards, but at the same time they are gentrifing my neighborhood.
I believe they put the signs up in their yard, stores and cars so they can't be called a racist.

In my city #PDX Black's are less than one percent of the population, and they are doing their best to make it zero.

 

[TheHarmattan]

You can tell a lot about a person on how they spend their time and money.
Hastags are free. I trust none of these online activists.

 

[Jay]

Real talk, I don't think you can separate their social media life from their real one. So you have to take their real life behavior as their true self and their social media persona as the fake one.
These are some basic rhetorical questions I ask myself and then I proceed to observe the person (if possible) to determine if they do in fact "mean well".

Full Disclosure: I'm at the point in my life now where I don't think white people can be allies. It goes against their nature to feel anything other than superior to anyone and everyone that isn't white. But I have respect for my black brothers and sisters who do see a John Brown in some of them.

1. How many black friends do they have?
   • they support black communities and black businesses but have no black friends on social media or in real life - IMO probably virtue signaling
   • if they do have black friends they are people they friended online only and never met irl - IMO probably virtue signaling here too.
   • if they do have black friends in real life they are usually mixed race and mixed race black people's experience with racism is vastly different because of their lighter skin - Now this isn't the white person's fault as where they live and other situations factor in to the people they meet, but I feel like this is probably virtue signaling because they're using the black part of that person to "invisibility cloak" themselves as "see I'm not racist, here's my black friend" when the truth is they're friends with them because they take comfort in knowing that person is also white like they are.
   • When they throw parties and either your invitation feels like it was an after-thought or you're the only black person there - probably virtue signaling.
2. How do they handle getting corrected for saying or doing something racially inappropriate or insensitive in front of their black friends?
   • If they get defensive and don't take the time to listen to where their black friends are coming from - they've been virtue signaling this whole time.
3. How do they handle being told that someone they're related to or are friends with said or did something racially inappropriate or insensitive in front of their black friends? - Basically, what type of people do they 4uck with when you're not around
   • See the response for rhetorical question #2.
4. Are they consistent or are they only supportive when it's popular?
   • If the only time you see or hear them talk about race and the issues behind it is when it's the current news topic but you don't ever feel like they're someone you can talk to personally about your own experiences - MFs are virtue signaling.

Now these are MY key questions I ask, but as you can see, it's really hard to judge someone's authenticity online without seeing how they live when they click "log off". So best practice is to treat them online the way we're treated in real life: Guilty (of Virtue Signaling in the first degree) until proven innocent (on all charges).

Sorry I wrote a novel. I do that sometimes. forgive me fam.

Another way thing I look for is how do they view justice. A lot of virtue signalers true intentions is to keep the status quo so the second you ask them to go further than talk, they real them comes out.

V.S.: It's so bad what this country has done to Black Americans, mass incarceration, Jim Crow, slavery, black codes, we need to heal and come together. #BLM

ME: Ok, let's start the healing with reparations so that we can rebuild what was lost, taken, and destroyed.

V.S.: whoa whoa whoa...I don't know about that now, that's asking a bit much.

 

[Deleted member 191]

Another way thing I look for is how do they view justice. A lot of virtue signalers true intentions is to keep the status quo so the second you ask them to go further than talk, they real them comes out.

V.S.: It's so bad what this country has done to Black Americans, mass incarceration, Jim Crow, slavery, black codes, we need to heal and come together. #BLM

ME: Ok, let's start the healing with reparations so that we can rebuild what was lost, taken, and destroyed.

V.S.: whoa whoa whoa...I don't know about that now, that's asking a bit much.

Indeed. Their understanding and idea of Justice is definitely huge.

 

[sourgrapes]

They are too busy cutting 450k checks to illegal immigrants coming through Mexico than to bother with black Americans who come from slave-owned families.

Something that has bothered me about the BLM stuff from the jump was that I too see a lot of signs in white yards, on white-owned cars... And I feel like this is just signaling that they are doing it to make themselves look good. If you supported black people and communities prior to BLM, there is a good chance you wouldn't be rocking those 3 letters cause you are too busy making a difference.

Then you have the people who simply do it so their businesses, house, or cars aren't targeted by rioters.

I don't understand a lot of what is going on with these virtue signalers but I know it is very similar to the people who show up to church every Sunday and are out there sinning Monday-Saturday. They are just doing it to save face and shouldn't be trusted with anything important.

 

[The Honorable]

They are too busy cutting 450k checks to illegal immigrants coming through Mexico than to bother with black Americans who come from slave-owned families.

Something that has bothered me about the BLM stuff from the jump was that I too see a lot of signs in white yards, on white-owned cars... And I feel like this is just signaling that they are doing it to make themselves look good. If you supported black people and communities prior to BLM, there is a good chance you wouldn't be rocking those 3 letters cause you are too busy making a difference.

Then you have the people who simply do it so their businesses, house, or cars aren't targeted by rioters.

I don't understand a lot of what is going on with these virtue signalers but I know it is very similar to the people who show up to church every Sunday and are out there sinning Monday-Saturday. They are just doing it to save face and shouldn't be trusted with anything important.

Liberals use Black plight as a means to attack the Conservatives, that’s what virtue signaling is. It’s just a tit-for-tat between two different arms of White Supremacy and Black people have historically allowed themselves to get caught up in the back and forth. We thought we found an ally in the Liberal White supremacist but really we were a pawn in their game versus the other White supremacist. Fortunately we are waking up and realizing that it’s two wolves fighting one another and everything is expendable in their quest to be the alpha.

 

[Bruh Man]

Real talk, I don't think you can separate their social media life from their real one. So you have to take their real life behavior as their true self and their social media persona as the fake one.
These are some basic rhetorical questions I ask myself and then I proceed to observe the person (if possible) to determine if they do in fact "mean well".

Full Disclosure: I'm at the point in my life now where I don't think white people can be allies. It goes against their nature to feel anything other than superior to anyone and everyone that isn't white. But I have respect for my black brothers and sisters who do see a John Brown in some of them.

1. How many black friends do they have?
   • they support black communities and black businesses but have no black friends on social media or in real life - IMO probably virtue signaling
   • if they do have black friends they are people they friended online only and never met irl - IMO probably virtue signaling here too.
   • if they do have black friends in real life they are usually mixed race and mixed race black people's experience with racism is vastly different because of their lighter skin - Now this isn't the white person's fault as where they live and other situations factor in to the people they meet, but I feel like this is probably virtue signaling because they're using the black part of that person to "invisibility cloak" themselves as "see I'm not racist, here's my black friend" when the truth is they're friends with them because they take comfort in knowing that person is also white like they are.
   • When they throw parties and either your invitation feels like it was an after-thought or you're the only black person there - probably virtue signaling.
2. How do they handle getting corrected for saying or doing something racially inappropriate or insensitive in front of their black friends?
   • If they get defensive and don't take the time to listen to where their black friends are coming from - they've been virtue signaling this whole time.
3. How do they handle being told that someone they're related to or are friends with said or did something racially inappropriate or insensitive in front of their black friends? - Basically, what type of people do they 4uck with when you're not around
   • See the response for rhetorical question #2.
4. Are they consistent or are they only supportive when it's popular?
   • If the only time you see or hear them talk about race and the issues behind it is when it's the current news topic but you don't ever feel like they're someone you can talk to personally about your own experiences - MFs are virtue signaling.

Now these are MY key questions I ask, but as you can see, it's really hard to judge someone's authenticity online without seeing how they live when they click "log off". So best practice is to treat them online the way we're treated in real life: Guilty (of Virtue Signaling in the first degree) until proven innocent (on all charges).

Sorry I wrote a novel. I do that sometimes. forgive me fam.