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US ‘closer to civil war’ than most would like to believe, new book says

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The US is “closer to civil war than any of us would like to believe”, a member of a key CIA advisory panel has said.

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The analysis by Barbara F Walter, a political science professor at the University of California at San Diego who sits on the Political Instability Task Force, is contained in a book due out next year and first reported by the Washington Post.
I feel it's possible but not likely. what are your thoughts?

 

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    Remember that the Beer Hall Pusch failed and Hitler came back and won. When the power brokers decided to reverse the New Deal and send us back into the Gilded Age we were on a course for Civil War. They want to try to find the point where they can take everything but still give the citizenry enough to stop them from revolting. The problem is, this is a big ship and once you're on course for the iceberg you can't just turn the wheel and move out the way.

    I think if the current policy of Globalization, Low Taxing of the Rich, Unlimited Money for Empire, Socialism for the Rich/Capitalism for everyone else...continues, we will definitely have a civil war. You can only take so much from someone before they have nothing to lose in coming for the person that has everything. Nothing short of a New Deal 2.0 is going to keep the doors from flying off.
     

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    Remember that the Beer Hall Pusch failed and Hitler came back and won. When the power brokers decided to reverse the New Deal and send us back into the Gilded Age we were on a course for Civil War. They want to try to find the point where they can take everything but still give the citizenry enough to stop them from revolting. The problem is, this is a big ship and once you're on course for the iceberg you can't just turn the wheel and move out the way.

    I think if the current policy of Globalization, Low Taxing of the Rich, Unlimited Money for Empire, Socialism for the Rich/Capitalism for everyone else...continues, we will definitely have a civil war. You can only take so much from someone before they have nothing to lose in coming for the person that has everything. Nothing short of a New Deal 2.0 is going to keep the doors from flying off.
    It's the deliberate watering down the FBA population that pisses me smooth TF off. Then these AfriCoons and CarribaCoons have the nerve to speak on OUR debt that is owed to us? Nah FOH with that. This stolen land is primed for run and gun battles in the streets.
     

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    It's the deliberate watering down the FBA population that pisses me smooth TF off. Then these AfriCoons and CarribaCoons have the nerve to speak on OUR debt that is owed to us? Nah FOH with that. This stolen land is primed for run and gun battles in the streets.
    Yeah but the Civil War that I think is going to kick off first is going to be the White people attacking themselves. The rich Whites are pushing too hard against the poor Whites and that's why we saw them storm the Capitol. I'm talking in general as opposed to our specific situation.
     

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    Yeah but the Civil War that I think is going to kick off first is going to be the White people attacking themselves. The rich Whites are pushing too hard against the poor Whites and that's why we saw them storm the Capitol. I'm talking in general as opposed to our specific situation.
    Jan 6 was their dry run at it. When the pinkertons start killing their own we need to be ready.
     

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    Remember that the Beer Hall Pusch failed and Hitler came back and won. When the power brokers decided to reverse the New Deal and send us back into the Gilded Age we were on a course for Civil War. They want to try to find the point where they can take everything but still give the citizenry enough to stop them from revolting. The problem is, this is a big ship and once you're on course for the iceberg you can't just turn the wheel and move out the way.

    I think if the current policy of Globalization, Low Taxing of the Rich, Unlimited Money for Empire, Socialism for the Rich/Capitalism for everyone else...continues, we will definitely have a civil war. You can only take so much from someone before they have nothing to lose in coming for the person that has everything. Nothing short of a New Deal 2.0 is going to keep the doors from flying off.
    Sir,"We have the wolf by the ears and feel the danger of either holding or letting him loose."
     

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    Sir,"We have the wolf by the ears and feel the danger of either holding or letting him loose."
    Exactly where America is at right now and it‘s worse because it has multiple wolves to deal with.
    • The whites who want to take over the government because decades of neoliberalism has ruined them financially.
    • The Blacks who are tired of a system of White Supremacy and how it artificially deprives them purposefully.
    Going to be a very interesting next couple of decades in the states.
     

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    Not really. Don't get me wrong. America will likely crumble VIOLENTLY. But a Civil War in the sense of wars past seems unlikely. It will be like nothing ever seen. Something more like The Purge seems more likely. A plain Civil War would be too direct, too black and white, too simplistic. America is screwed though, for the simple fact that they cannot confront CHINA. On the whole world stage, look at how she behaves, destroying countries that have no defense, whilst cowering and whimpering about WWIII when it comes to certain others. That means inevitably her enemies will take advantage. If America warred with China directly, in a good way, meaning Americans all onboard, unified– she might pull through. But as things are, if you look at China, America would be butt-r*ped in a very bloody, brutal way. It's really pathetic. Now we see Jim Crow Joe acting "tough" and making trouble in Haiti, and Africa, but the little whimpering shrimp seems awful quiet on China. He's said some things, mostly weak though.
     

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    it feels like its already here. I don't see how violence is unavoidable. These WS are so intent on destroying us that they are willing to take the country down as well. If we leave it up 2 them this county will look like Argentina (which I only recently learnd had hella Black people at one point)
    We certainly are at war. This is undeniable...
     

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    Exactly where America is at right now and it‘s worse because it has multiple wolves to deal with.
    • The whites who want to take over the government because decades of neoliberalism has ruined them financially.
    • The Blacks who are tired of a system of White Supremacy and how it artificially deprives them purposefully.
    Going to be a very interesting next couple of decades in the states.
    Damn straight.

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    Heh!😎

    I really can't believe stuff like this. Look at the hillbilly militia that stormed the Capitol. One dude tazed himself in the nuts and died. People screaming full throated with beer guts. They couldn't run 40 feet (12.19 m) without gasping for air.
    These fools might talk a big game but in the end: nothing.
     

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    Exactly where America is at right now and it‘s worse because it has multiple wolves to deal with.
    • The whites who want to take over the government because decades of neoliberalism has ruined them financially.
    • The Blacks who are tired of a system of White Supremacy and how it artificially deprives them purposefully.
    Going to be a very interesting next couple of decades in the states.
    JACKPOT!!! Some of those wolves look JUST LIKE US, these people need to be dealt with harshly and without fail.
     

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    Damn straight.

    Ancient Chinese Curse– May you live in interesting times...
    Hell yeah.
    Heh!😎

    I really can't believe stuff like this. Look at the hillbilly militia that stormed the Capitol. One dude tazed himself in the nuts and died. People screaming full throated with beer guts. They couldn't run 40 feet (12.19 m) without gasping for air.
    These fools might talk a big game but in the end: nothing.
    But people said the same thing in the Weimer Republic. They laughed at the shit until it was time to cry about it. These dudes gonna come back and it ain’t gonna be child’s play. Let White people keep feeling the effects of globalization and the eradication of their privilege, they will tear this shit down. We could learn from them. When white people feel disadvantage they act up real quick. Boston Tea Party style.
    JACKPOT!!! Some of those wolves look JUST LIKE US, these people need to be dealt with harshly and without fail.
    You talking about coons?
     

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    Hell yeah.

    But people said the same thing in the Weimer Republic. They laughed at the ish until it was time to cry about it. These dudes gonna come back and it ain’t gonna be child’s play. Let White people keep feeling the effects of globalization and the eradication of their privilege, they will tear this ish down. We could learn from them. When white people feel disadvantage they act up real quick. Boston Tea Party style.

    You talking about coons?
    Sometimes we see history as a TV show. The same principles we have, they had too. What I'm trying to say is that many Germans were against Adolph but the Treaty of Versailles was crushing the people so hard that any relief was welcomed. Otto Von Bismark surrendered the Chancellor position and the "Desert Fox" kept quiet. Those two men could have toppled Hitler if they had a backbone. If a Hitler figure rose today, we have too many checks and balances.

    Just my 2¢
     

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    Sometimes we see history as a TV show. The same principles we have, they had too. What I'm trying to say is that many Germans were against Adolph but the Treaty of Versailles was crushing the people so hard that any relief was welcomed. Otto Von Bismark surrendered the Chancellor position and the "Desert Fox" kept quiet. Those two men could have toppled Hitler if they had a backbone. If a Hitler figure rose today, we have too many checks and balances.

    Just my 2¢
    Otto Von Bismarck died in the 1800s bruh and the Desert Fox was a lower ranking officer before the Nazis.
     

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    Otto Von Bismarck died in the 1800s bruh and the Desert Fox was a lower ranking officer before the Nazis.
    Sorry I meant Hindenburg.

    Yes, DF was lower in rank but he was a huge WWI hero .

    Remember in the US when you had to have military service before people would take you seriously to be president? Most of the presidents served, others didn't due to health or other things. Germans loved their heroes.
     

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    it feels like its already here. I don't see how violence is unavoidable. These WS are so intent on destroying us that they are willing to take the country down as well. If we leave it up 2 them this county will look like Argentina (which I only recently learnd had hella Black people at one point)
    The country was founded like this and will end like this. The only allegiance is to white people owning everything and too many white people are owning nothing.
     
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    Black folks too a lot of L's this week on an individual basis. They are picking us off one by one. They are desperate. Any time resources get low in any level of animal of activity, a battle of the species ensues. That is what we are experiencing right now. I did some flying a couple of weeks ago, and though, there were a lot of goofy whites just happy to be white and living, I saw a lot of stone faced, grim looking whites with 3 percenter decals on their caps and "Let's Go Brandon" t-shirts hanging out in the airport with no masks on. These folks are ready, this is what they been preparing for since the late 70's. Enough of us are serious enough, but it hurts my heart every time one of Black babies get ambushed because their parents haven't been paying attention. And you saw what them white boys did to that Jamaican cat up in Pennsylvania. THis is white supremacy's last gasp and it would be wise to not understimate their cowardice or their desperation.
     

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    Hell yeah.

    But people said the same thing in the Weimer Republic. They laughed at the ish until it was time to cry about it. These dudes gonna come back and it ain’t gonna be child’s play. Let White people keep feeling the effects of globalization and the eradication of their privilege, they will tear this ish down. We could learn from them. When white people feel disadvantage they act up real quick. Boston Tea Party style.

    You talking about coons?
    Yup! The AfriCoons, CarribaCoons, Bahama Butter Biscuit Eaters and Trinidadian Bush bishes. In the 60s that tarred and feathered them.
     

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    There is enough of them to Undermind everything FBA's are trying to do. Frankly they can pay our share of all taxes for the next 400 years.
    When it comes to broadcast media yes but when it comes to the topic of this thread I feel like they are a non-factor. There will be the sycophant suck ups to white power, the coons that run to the black community, and those caught in the middle. They will splinter and be a non-factor. We'd have to focus on bubba ray and his ilk.
     

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    In my opinion, they won't try a civil war again, because of the first one. The one when Black people took up arms against their slave owners. Black people, with some formal military training, beat the slave owners and Native Americans that sided with the South. Beat them in all out combat. So, I don't think they want to have another concession, and another proclamation to keep us at ease.
     

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    In my opinion, they won't try a civil war again, because of the first one. The one when Black people took up arms against their slave owners. Black people, with some formal military training, beat the slave owners and Native Americans that sided with the South. Beat them in all out combat. So, I don't think they want to have another concession, and another proclamation to keep us at ease.
    If it's NOT #CutTheCheck (Tax Free) then covertly it needs to be #BurnBabyBurn.
     

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    Remember that the Beer Hall Pusch failed and Hitler came back and won. When the power brokers decided to reverse the New Deal and send us back into the Gilded Age we were on a course for Civil War. They want to try to find the point where they can take everything but still give the citizenry enough to stop them from revolting. The problem is, this is a big ship and once you're on course for the iceberg you can't just turn the wheel and move out the way.

    I think if the current policy of Globalization, Low Taxing of the Rich, Unlimited Money for Empire, Socialism for the Rich/Capitalism for everyone else...continues, we will definitely have a civil war. You can only take so much from someone before they have nothing to lose in coming for the person that has everything. Nothing short of a New Deal 2.0 is going to keep the doors from flying off.
    The U.S. is weaker than ever and countries around the Earth are beginning to look this way with new eyes. Besides the fact that we're falling apart by the seams. The U.S. is not a strategic rebounding nation. So, the more things go awry; the more likely civil war can become a reality.
     

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    The U.S. is weaker than ever and countries around the Earth are beginning to look this way with new eyes. Besides the fact that we're falling apart by the seams. The U.S. is not a strategic rebounding nation. So, the more things go awry; the more likely civil war can become a reality.
    We have tried Marching..That didn't work. We have tried voting..That didn't work. I think it is time to try the Bullet. Nothing but toe tags for anti black racist.
     

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    In my opinion, they won't try a civil war again, because of the first one. The one when Black people took up arms against their slave owners. Black people, with some formal military training, beat the slave owners and Native Americans that sided with the South. Beat them in all out combat. So, I don't think they want to have another concession, and another proclamation to keep us at ease.

    We have tried Marching..That didn't work. We have tried voting..That didn't work. I think it is time to try the Bullet. Nothing but toe tags for anti black racist.
    The civil war ain’t gonna be black on white it’s gonna be whites vs whites…we just gotta be ready cuz they gonna attack us in the process.
     

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    I believe that we are already in a type of “ Soft Civil War” . As a Black man I conduct my movements accordingly. There is much division between many groups/classes, etc. Regarding Blk America, the White Power structure has done a masterful job of establishing “friendlies”(Mostly Blk Feminists) in the larger Blk community. So ultimately what is occurring is similar to what happened to the Native Americans. The Blk feminist much like the Native American friendlies, traitors, trackers, etc while seeking handouts & ostensible advancements, progress, etc., make the same delusional mistakes of Compromise, Subterfuge, & ultimate betrayal of the community. The Blk Feminist has become the most effective tool of White Supremacy. The Loyal Blk Dems, Blk Feminists are no different than the slaves who donned the Confederate Uniform.
     

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    The U.S. is weaker than ever and countries around the Earth are beginning to look this way with new eyes. Besides the fact that we're falling apart by the seams. The U.S. is not a strategic rebounding nation. So, the more things go awry; the more likely civil war can become a reality.

    I can see this becoming a country run by militias and crime families like certain Latin American countries. As Steve Cokely would say, "this between them. let the white boys fight it out" and we just need to stand on our square.
    This. The Civil War will not be Blacks vs. the Government it’s going to be white people who feel like the benefits of white privilege aren’t enough for them to allow them government to stay in control.