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[MR-D-ROB]

I don't condone giving your vote to the Democrats at all. They have done zero for us.

We will never get enough of them to decide to sit it out. They are just voting for the privilege/sake/ritual of voting. If you try to talk to them they will start with prayer and the bible.

Since they ( the old civil rights generation) make up a large part of the black voting block us young folks sitting out isn't going to do much to hurt the Democrats. Remember this is the baby boomer generation so they far out number us. Just those old voters is going to be a lot in the bag for Democrats.

In order for young voters to deal the biggest blow we must make their votes negate the old civil rights generation's vote.

The only way to do that is to change the tally to hurt Democrats and help the Republicans at the same time.

So if we just sit out we take votes from the Democrats that they may have gotten. However if we go protest vote then we help to nullify those old civil rights vote by putting more votes on the Republican tally that they would not have gotten. Not only are you taking votes from the Democrats but you are now giving those votes to their opponents.

That will do far more to hurt the Democrats. That just mathematically works. Just a thought!

 

[Jay]

I don't condone giving your vote to the Democrats at all. They have done zero for us.

We will never get enough of them to decide to sit it out. They are just voting for the privilege/sake/ritual of voting. If you try to talk to them they will start with prayer and the bible.

Since they ( the old civil rights generation) make up a large part of the black voting block us young folks sitting out isn't going to do much to hurt the Democrats. Remember this is the baby boomer generation so they far out number us. Just those old voters is going to be a lot in the bag for Democrats.

In order for young voters to deal the biggest blow we must make their votes negate the old civil rights generation's vote.

The only way to do that is to change the tally to hurt Democrats and help the Republicans at the same time.

So if we just sit out we take votes from the Democrats that they may have gotten. However if we go protest vote then we help to nullify those old civil rights vote by putting more votes on the Republican tally that they would not have gotten. Not only are you taking votes from the Democrats but you are now giving those votes to their opponents.

That will do far more to hurt the Democrats. That just mathematically works. Just a thought!

Black people need to learn that their vote is for sale. You are advocating for the same thing that got us in this spot today, giving your vote for free. If the Republicans want out vote, earn it. Offer us something tangible and we’ll show up. With your methodology, all that would change is the party taking advantage of us. People don’t respect what they don‘t have to earn. They need to earn our vote from here on out.

 

[Deleted member 231]

I don't condone giving your vote to the Democrats at all. They have done zero for us.

We will never get enough of them to decide to sit it out. They are just voting for the privilege/sake/ritual of voting. If you try to talk to them they will start with prayer and the bible.

Since they ( the old civil rights generation) make up a large part of the black voting block us young folks sitting out isn't going to do much to hurt the Democrats. Remember this is the baby boomer generation so they far out number us. Just those old voters is going to be a lot in the bag for Democrats.

In order for young voters to deal the biggest blow we must make their votes negate the old civil rights generation's vote.

The only way to do that is to change the tally to hurt Democrats and help the Republicans at the same time.

So if we just sit out we take votes from the Democrats that they may have gotten. However if we go protest vote then we help to nullify those old civil rights vote by putting more votes on the Republican tally that they would not have gotten. Not only are you taking votes from the Democrats but you are now giving those votes to their opponents.

That will do far more to hurt the Democrats. That just mathematically works. Just a thought!

so you'd rather vote for the Republicans to beat on our heads?

 

[Rollie Forbes]

I don't condone giving your vote to the Democrats at all. They have done zero for us.

We will never get enough of them to decide to sit it out. They are just voting for the privilege/sake/ritual of voting. If you try to talk to them they will start with prayer and the bible.

Since they ( the old civil rights generation) make up a large part of the black voting block us young folks sitting out isn't going to do much to hurt the Democrats. Remember this is the baby boomer generation so they far out number us. Just those old voters is going to be a lot in the bag for Democrats.

In order for young voters to deal the biggest blow we must make their votes negate the old civil rights generation's vote.

The only way to do that is to change the tally to hurt Democrats and help the Republicans at the same time.

So if we just sit out we take votes from the Democrats that they may have gotten. However if we go protest vote then we help to nullify those old civil rights vote by putting more votes on the Republican tally that they would not have gotten. Not only are you taking votes from the Democrats but you are now giving those votes to their opponents.

That will do far more to hurt the Democrats. That just mathematically works. Just a thought!

I'll concede to the fact that the Democrat party has done nothing substantial to specifically protect or benefit Black Americans. The Democrats are trash.
Now that that's out of the way; while you're worried about the big bad Democrat boogyman, you're advocating for the party that regularly enacts anti-Black policies.
Be clear, it's the Republicans who want to steal the charter of Mason, Tennessee (which is poised to become a very prosperous Black city with the impending arrival of a major Ford plant)
It's the Republicans in the Florida legislature who killed 2 Black voting districts just last week.
And as someone who has expressed an anti-police stance ( THOUGHTS??? KIA/LOD ) it's interesting that you would so vehemently support for the party that "backs the blue".
Again, I do agree with you that the Democrats don't serve the interests of Black Americans, it doesn't seem like a smart move to support the party that not only doesn't want our vote (meaning they have no reason to provide us with anything tangible in exchange for our votes), but also will continue to create policies to keep Black Americans at the bottom of the totem pole.

 

[Lamont]

“Mussolini hasn’t done much more for me therefore I’ll vote for Hitler”.

If ‘Out of the frying pan into the fire“ were a voting strategy.

 

[Jay]

Since they ( the old civil rights generation) make up a large part of the black voting block us young folks sitting out isn't going to do much to hurt the Democrats. Remember this is the baby boomer generation so they far out number us. Just those old voters is going to be a lot in the bag for Democrats.

I don’t believe that’s true or else Hilary would have beat Trump. Democrats last wins were when they put a Biracial on the ticket and when Trump was too crazy for his own good. The younger demographic stayinig home hurts Democrats.

The Black population is relatively young. As of 2019, the median age of single-race, non-Hispanic Black people is 35. This makes the population younger than the nation’s White population (median age of 43) and the Asian population (38), and slightly older than the nation’s Hispanic population (29).

Key findings about Black America

The Black population in the U.S. is diverse and growing. Our analysis explores the demographic characteristics of this population in 2019.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Nesut]

I'll concede to the fact that the Democrat party has done nothing substantial to specifically protect or benefit Black Americans. The Democrats are trash.
Now that that's out of the way; while you're worried about the big bad Democrat boogyman, you're advocating for the party that regularly enacts anti-Black policies.
Be clear, it's the Republicans who want to steal the charter of Mason, Tennessee (which is poised to become a very prosperous Black city with the impending arrival of a major Ford plant)
It's the Republicans in the Florida legislature who killed 2 Black voting districts just last week.
And as someone who has expressed an anti-police stance ( THOUGHTS??? KIA/LOD ) it's interesting that you would so vehemently support for the party that "backs the blue".
Again, I do agree with you that the Democrats don't serve the interests of Black Americans, it doesn't seem like a smart move to support the party that not only doesn't want our vote (meaning they have no reason to provide us with anything tangible in exchange for our votes), but also will continue to create policies to keep Black Americans at the bottom of the totem pole.

Democrats drive us of the cliff by giving us bad direction, Republicans drive us off the cliff by grabbing the steering wheel. We need to get out the damn car and let them know we’re not taking either side’s shit.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Black people need to learn that their vote is for sale. You are advocating for the same thing that got us in this spot today, giving your vote for free. If the Republicans want out vote, earn it. Offer us something tangible and we’ll show up. With your methodology, all that would change is the party taking advantage of us. People don’t respect what they don‘t have to earn. They need to earn our vote from here on out

Black people need to learn that their vote is for sale. You are advocating for the same thing that got us in this spot today, giving your vote for free. If the Republicans want out vote, earn it. Offer us something tangible and we’ll show up. With your methodology, all that would change is the party taking advantage of us. People don’t respect what they don‘t have to earn. They need to earn our vote from here on out.

My thought isn't just to vote for the Republicans instead going forward. My thought is to show that we as a collective have the power to decide elections each and every time. This would force them to fight for the young vote.

Please understand that the Democrats aren't asking for your vote when they say the black vote. They are talking about that old civil rights generation. Politicians aim at who is most likely to show up.

If we show up but against the Democrats this will force both parties to fight for our vote. And by our I don't mean black Americans. I mean young black Americans!

Whether we like it or not we are separated in ideologies between the younger and the old civil rights generation!

 

[MR-D-ROB]

so you'd rather vote for the Republicans to beat on our heads?

No I'd rather let my vote send a message that I can punish a party that has ignored me!

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I'll concede to the fact that the Democrat party has done nothing substantial to specifically protect or benefit Black Americans. The Democrats are trash.
Now that that's out of the way; while you're worried about the big bad Democrat boogyman, you're advocating for the party that regularly enacts anti-Black policies.
Be clear, it's the Republicans who want to steal the charter of Mason, Tennessee (which is poised to become a very prosperous Black city with the impending arrival of a major Ford plant)
It's the Republicans in the Florida legislature who killed 2 Black voting districts just last week.
And as someone who has expressed an anti-police stance ( THOUGHTS??? KIA/LOD ) it's interesting that you would so vehemently support for the party that "backs the blue".
Again, I do agree with you that the Democrats don't serve the interests of Black Americans, it doesn't seem like a smart move to support the party that not only doesn't want our vote (meaning they have no reason to provide us with anything tangible in exchange for our votes), but also will continue to create policies to keep Black Americans at the bottom of the totem pole.

You misunderstand. I'm not saying I stand with the Republicans. I don't stand with the Democrats either.
The issue is we all hate Republicans so much we aren't willing to punish the Democrats.

What I am saying is if the young voters sit out and the old voters show up not much of a difference has changed. The Democrats will lost a few seats. They'll gain the back as soon as they get a black candidate or have a Trump boogeyman or any slightly racist candidate to run against.


THinking like this we will never get reparations or any other tangibles.

What I am saying is use the Republicans to make a point to the Democrats that we (young voters aren't to be f---ked with!

 

[MR-D-ROB]

“Mussolini hasn’t done much more for me therefore I’ll vote for Hitler”.

If ‘Out of the frying pan into the fire“ were a voting strategy.

Do you think very many voters over the age of 50 are going to just sit out the elections?

If so then I agree with you.

But I think we both know that isn't the case. And no message is sent to the Democrats by just the young voters sitting it out.
They will just come up with a strategy to get just enough more old black people to vote.

That's why they give all the symbolism poli-tricks because they know it works with older voters. Older people aren't on YouTube looking for news and information. They use YouTube for recreation, to watch funny videos. Their information comes from CNN (Caucasian News Network) and MSNBC (Mzungu Sellout News By Caucasians).

I was literally talking to a few older relatives of mine and asking why vote for Democrats and they listed all of the symbolism.
They made Kamala VP.
We Got Juneteenth as a Holiday
They put KBJ as a SCOTUS Justice.
They are worried about Jan 6.


This crap is working with the older people. The only thing they didn't list is Hip Hop appreciation month. I guess the Dems are hoping to get a few young votes with that which they will and that's all it takes to keep the status quo.


We aren't doing as well in this fight as some of us wish to think. And that's because with this line of thinking we're playing checkers instead of chess. We need to make strategic moves that will send a loud clear message.

The young people sitting out and the people make up the majority of the vote which are the older civil rights people going to vote anyway doesn't do anything!

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I don’t believe that’s true or else Hilary would have beat Trump. Democrats last wins were when they put a Biracial on the ticket and when Trump was too crazy for his own good. The younger demographic stayinig home hurts Democrats.

Key findings about Black America

The Black population in the U.S. is diverse and growing. Our analysis explores the demographic characteristics of this population in 2019.

www.pewresearch.org

That's skewed because it is looking at single individuals. We all know that most of the baby boomers are married! There are still plenty of them around. Enough of them that the Democrats know to aim their methods at them!

 

[Jay]

That's skewed because it is looking at single individuals. We all know that most of the baby boomers are married! There are still plenty of them around. Enough of them that the Democrats know to aim their methods at them!

Ok so why did Hilary lose?

 

[Deleted member 231]

we just need an agenda my man. Asians don't vote in large numbers but they still get policies and resources. Jews don't make up enough of the population to affect society by voting but they get what they want from the politicians. We don't need to vote to get what we want. We just need an agenda and a code, and a way to enforce that code to Blacks and non-Blacks. It really is that simple. Am I right or am I left?

 

[Rollie Forbes]

You misunderstand. I'm not saying I stand with the Republicans. I don't stand with the Democrats either.
The issue is we all hate Republicans so much we aren't willing to punish the Democrats.

What I am saying is if the young voters sit out and the old voters show up not much of a difference has changed. The Democrats will lost a few seats. They'll gain the back as soon as they get a black candidate or have a Trump boogeyman or any slightly racist candidate to run against.


THinking like this we will never get reparations or any other tangibles.

What I am saying is use the Republicans to make a point to the Democrats that we (young voters aren't to be f---ked with!

I understand completely. What I am saying is that you are planning to punish the scary Democrats by putting politicians in place who will enact anti-Black legislation. The Democrat candidate who loses will move on and find another job, the Republican that you helped elect will redline us, redistrict us, restrict our rights, ruin our cities, continue to turn police into military units, and do everything in their power to make Black people a permanent underclass.
I could see your point if you supported a Republican candidate who was offering Black people something beneficial in exchange for our votes; in that case I'd suggest voting Republican, too.
You're not saying that, though. You're only saying that you want to "punish Democrats" (the Democrat party will be just fine, even if they lose every seat in the midterms, btw. It wouldn't be the first time it happened) for their benign neglect by blindly giving policitcal leverage to the party that actively and openly seeks to harm us.
That doesn't make sense.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Ok so why did Hilary lose?

Hilary lost because there was a larger than normal turn out than usual of white Americans.
There was a smaller turn out of black people but the grander picture was there was a smaller turn out of younger voters both white and black. Nobody likes Hilary so that was a lay up for Trump.

If the Dems get a slightly likeable candidate they will win and we're back to where we started!

 

[Jay]

There was a smaller turn out of black people

there was a smaller turn out of younger voters both white and black.

So if young Black voters sit out it hurts the Democrats hence why Hilary lost.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I understand completely. What I am saying is that you are planning to punish the scary Democrats by putting politicians in place who will enact anti-Black legislation. The Democrat candidate who loses will move on and find another job, the Republican that you helped elect will redline us, redistrict us, restrict our rights, ruin our cities, continue to turn police into military units, and do everything in their power to make Black people a permanent underclass.
I could see your point if you supported a Republican candidate who was offering Black people something beneficial in exchange for our votes; in that case I'd suggest voting Republican, too.
You're not saying that, though. You're only saying that you want to "punish Democrats" (the Democrat party will be just fine, even if they lose every seat in the midterms, btw. It wouldn't be the first time it happened) for their benign neglect by blindly giving policitcal leverage to the party that actively and openly seeks to harm us.
That doesn't make sense.

So there are only two parties. One is going to win and one is going to lose. Period. It's binary.
Either you want Democrats to win or you want them to lose.

If you want them to win then we're where we are now. If you want them to lose you have two choice on how to make that happen. Again it is binary. Sit it out or protest vote!

Which are you advocating for sit it out, protest vote or just vote for Democrats and keep begging?

 

[The Honorable]

So there are only two parties. One is going to win and one is going to lose. Period. It's binary.
Either you want Democrats to win or you want them to lose.

If you want them to win then we're where we are now. If you want them to lose you have two choice on how to make that happen. Again it is binary. Sit it out or protest vote!

Which are you advocating for sit it out, protest vote or just vote for Democrats and keep begging?

All I want is for Black people to win and if I see no pathway to doing so I will sit out.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

All I want is for Black people to win and if I see no pathway to doing so I will sit out.

I'm not advocating for either party. I want the same to see black people doing better.
I just want us to leverage our vote in a way to force politician to do what we want and know that if they don't we will take their job!

 

[Rollie Forbes]

So there are only two parties. One is going to win and one is going to lose. Period. It's binary.
Either you want Democrats to win or you want them to lose.

If you want them to win then we're where we are now. If you want them to lose you have two choice on how to make that happen. Again it is binary. Sit it out or protest vote!

Which are you advocating for sit it out, protest vote or just vote for Democrats and keep begging?

I suggest the option that you didn't mention: I suggest that we leverage our votes in exchange for tangibles. Our problem isn't that we vote Democrat, our problem is that we vote and get nothing in return from either party.
Re-read my last statement. I have no problem voting for a Republican who will offer us something tangible, but your reason for voting Republican does nothing to benefit Black Americans.

 

[John Horse lineage]

More of us just need to be taught how quid pro quo works and maybe that would help with this blindly voting nonsense

 

[The Honorable]

I'm not advocating for either party. I want the same to see black people doing better.
I just want us to leverage our vote in a way to force politician to do what we want and know that if they don't we will take their job!

That sounds good but your negotiation skills are not where they need to be in my opinion. When making a deal you say:

• Give me X
• I’ll give you Y

…and then you sign a contract. You want X and they want Y you are both motivated to do a fair exchange so that you both get what you want. But you’re saying:

• I’ll give you Y
• We’ll talk about X at a later date

In your scenario you are giving them what they want from the very beginning. Since they already have Y, you cannot use that as leverage anymore. You’re basically hoping that they have honor and give you what you want which we already know won’t happen.

What you’re proposing is a losing strategy. It’s taking the strategy that didnt work with the democrats and using it with the Republicans to get back at the Democrats. So democrats lose votes yes but Black people end up with not a damn thing…STILL!

 

[Rollie Forbes]

That sounds good but your negotiation skills are not where they need to be in my opinion. When making a deal you say:

• Give me X
• I’ll give you Y

…and then you sign a contract. You want X and they want Y you are both motivated to do a fair exchange so that you both get what you want. But you’re saying:

• I’ll give you Y
• We’ll talk about X at a later date

In your scenario you are giving them what they want from the very beginning. Since they already have Y, you cannot use that as leverage anymore. You’re basically hoping that they have honor and give you what you want which we already know won’t happen.

What you’re proposing is a losing strategy. It’s taking the strategy that didnt work with the democrats and using it with the Republicans to get back at the Democrats. So democrats lose votes yes but Black people end up with not a damn thing…STILL!

Well said.

 

[The Honorable]

we just need an agenda my man. Asians don't vote in large numbers but they still get policies and resources. Jews don't make up enough of the population to affect society by voting but they get what they want from the politicians. We don't need to vote to get what we want. We just need an agenda and a code, and a way to enforce that code to Blacks and non-Blacks. It really is that simple. Am I right or am I left?

I agree but abstaining from the system would be an off shoot of the agenda if the code is built in Black people’s interests.

 

[Lamont]

Do you think very many voters over the age of 50 are going to just sit out the elections?

If so then I agree with you.

But I think we both know that isn't the case. And no message is sent to the Democrats by just the young voters sitting it out.
They will just come up with a strategy to get just enough more old black people to vote.

That's why they give all the symbolism poli-tricks because they know it works with older voters. Older people aren't on YouTube looking for news and information. They use YouTube for recreation, to watch funny videos. Their information comes from CNN (Caucasian News Network) and MSNBC (Mzungu Sellout News By Caucasians).

I was literally talking to a few older relatives of mine and asking why vote for Democrats and they listed all of the symbolism.
They made Kamala VP.
We Got Juneteenth as a Holiday
They put KBJ as a SCOTUS Justice.
They are worried about Jan 6.


This crap is working with the older people. The only thing they didn't list is Hip Hop appreciation month. I guess the Dems are hoping to get a few young votes with that which they will and that's all it takes to keep the status quo.


We aren't doing as well in this fight as some of us wish to think. And that's because with this line of thinking we're playing checkers instead of chess. We need to make strategic moves that will send a loud clear message.

The young people sitting out and the people make up the majority of the vote which are the older civil rights people going to vote anyway doesn't do anything!

As Jay stated, Hilary Clinton failed to secure the Presidency because she failed to secure the young Black vote.

Gillespie and other experts say the reasons for the lack of turnout for Clinton are more complex than the fact that Obama wasn't on the ballot. Voter apathy and Clinton's failure to connect with the black community -- particularly African American millennials disillusioned with establishment Democratic politics -- were also part of the problem.

That came through in a focus group of black millennials convened by the New York Times in September. The subjects said they saw Clinton, 68, as part of the political establishment, gave her side-eye over her past support for law-and-order criminal justice laws and didn't believe she fully embraced the new wave of black activism, including Black Lives Matter.

"If you look at age variation, younger blacks were way more likely to cast third-party or 'other' votes than their peers," Gillespie says. "They wanted her to address criminal justice and Black Lives Matter issues. They were [also] the ones thinking, 'You know, I don't want my vote taken for granted by the Democratic Party' kind of thing. You have to show them -- 'Your vote matters.'"

Clinton takes the blame for that, Gillespie says: Unlike Trump, the former first lady failed to articulate a clear, urgent message that resonated with black voters age 18 to 37, while older African Americans were more likely to see the bigger picture -- that a Trump win likely would mean more-conservative government and fewer civil-rights reforms.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-11-09/clinton-made-her-case-to-black-voters-why-didnt-they-hear-her

The 50 and under Black vote is instrumental to Democratic success therefore any abstention from this demographic is an issue for the DNC. It is important for said demographic to understand the importance of their vote and use it to demand targeted resources into their communities. Giving their vote away for nothing does not change their circumstance.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I suggest the option that you didn't mention: I suggest that we leverage our votes in exchange for tangibles. Our problem isn't that we vote Democrat, our problem is that we vote and get nothing in return from either party.
Re-read my last statement. I have no problem voting for a Republican who will offer us something tangible, but your reason for voting Republican does nothing to benefit Black Americans.

Leverage the vote for tangibles is a hashtag. It sounds good but what does it mean? How do we do it?
By not voting or protest voting? Or just voting for the Democrats again? Creating our own political party and getting behind it.

We can't leverage the vote unless what we do harms a party and hurts the other party.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

As Jay stated, Hilary Clinton failed to secure the Presidency because she failed to secure the young Black vote.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-11-09/clinton-made-her-case-to-black-voters-why-didnt-they-hear-her

The 50 and under Black vote is instrumental to Democratic success therefore any abstention from this demographic is an issue for the DNC. It is important for said demographic to understand the importance of their vote and use it to demand targeted resources into their communities. Giving their vote away for nothing does not change their circumstance.

Now that was a well thought out statement.

The only thing this doesn't account for is the replacement factor. They are bringing in immigrants and doing things for LGBTQ to get those votes which replace the younger vote!

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Well said.

I think we all can safely say we understand how to negotiate. You wouldn't just go give a person $5,000 for a product and say you can give it to me later without signing any paperwork. Although I do know someone who did that and it didn't work out in their favor!

The issue is we don't know how to leverage those skills in politics.

If we just sit it out the media is going to spin it as that the Democrats just didn't do enough to get a better turnout. They'll ignore it and let it blow over. The economy will get bad under the Republicans or they will get an idiot like W Bush or Trump in that screws things up so bad that it entices people into voting and the Democrats end up back in power after either 4 or 8 years.

I would use the same outline that you did with a twist
When making a deal you say:

• Give me X
• I’ll give you Y
• And if you don't give me Y then I'm going to do Z to harm you

What you described is a political purchase. Whereas what I described is a political robbery!


I'm not asking them to do something. I'm not looking to buy something. I'm demanding it and if I don't get it there will be X consequence for not doing it!

 

[Lamont]

Now that was a well thought out statement.

The only thing this doesn't account for is the replacement factor. They are bringing in immigrants and doing things for LGBTQ to get those votes which replace the younger vote!

The replacement factor impacts any voting strategy even yours hence why it wasn't mentioned.

 

[The Honorable]

I would use the same outline that you did with a twist
When making a deal you say:

• Give me X
• I’ll give you Y
• And if you don't give me Y then I'm going to do Z to harm you

What you described is a political purchase. Whereas what I described is a political robbery!

What you have posted here is exactly what "no tangibles, no vote" crowd advocating. But the harm is "Not voting for you and letting the Republicans win" not "Voting for the Republicans". We should not vote for any party that does not provide us with a reason to do so. As you were shown, Hilary Clinton lost because young Black voters didn't show up. We can hurt them year over year by not voting for them.

 

[Bruh Man]

Leverage the vote for tangibles is a hashtag. It sounds good but what does it mean? How do we do it?
By not voting or protest voting? Or just voting for the Democrats again? Creating our own political party and getting behind it.

We can't leverage the vote unless what we do harms a party and hurts the other party.

My nigga if you wanna vote for DeSantis just do it.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

What you have posted here is exactly what "no tangibles, no vote" crowd advocating. But the harm is "Not voting for you and letting the Republicans win" not "Voting for the Republicans". We should not vote for any party that does not provide us with a reason to do so. As you were shown, Hilary Clinton lost because young Black voters didn't show up. We can hurt them year over year by not voting for them.

The are two things wrong with this.
1. Hilary lost not just because young black voters didn't show up but because young voters in general didn't show up. The young vote was behind Bernie Sanders because he had an agenda that would help young families including raising minimum wage and taxing the rich to provide social programs like free healthcare.
2. We will only hurt them by withholding for so long because out vote is being replaced.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

My nigga if you wanna vote for DeSantis just do it.

I don't even know who is going to run and don't care really. I'm just simply saying how it is going to play out.
From what I can see on this site though, we aren't getting reparation because people don't understand how to think!

 

[Jay]

The are two things wrong with this.
1. Hilary lost not just because young black voters didn't show up but because young voters in general didn't show up. The young vote was behind Bernie Sanders because he had an agenda that would help young families including raising minimum wage and taxing the rich to provide social programs like free healthcare.
2. We will only hurt them by withholding for so long because out vote is being replaced.

There was actually sources posted in here that showed that young Black voters cost Hilary the election. You have posted no sources for anything you have said.

• You said abstaining doesn’t hurt the Dems.
• You were shown proof that Black people abstaining hurt Hilary Clinton.

Now you’re saying “well it was white young people too”. You need to back up the things you are saying.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

There was actually sources posted in here that showed that young Black voters cost Hilary the election. You have posted no sources for anything you have said.

• You said abstaining doesn’t hurt the Dems.
• You were shown proof that Black people abstaining hurt Hilary Clinton.

Now you’re saying “well it was white young people too”. You need to back up the things you are saying.

The sad thing is that everyone is just going to do what they are going to do and nothing much is going to change!

 

[Jay]

The sad thing is that everyone is just going to do what they are going to do and nothing much is going to change!

Not true. We’re having an intellectual debate on what we should do. You haven’t proven why voting for republicans are a good idea.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

Leverage the vote for tangibles is a hashtag. It sounds good but what does it mean? How do we do it?
By not voting or protest voting? Or just voting for the Democrats again? Creating our own political party and getting behind it.

We can't leverage the vote unless what we do harms a party and hurts the other party.

No, leveraging our votes is an action. It requires planning, coordination, and work.
Jews leverage their votes.
The lgbt leverage their votes.
Asians leverage their votes.
We can and must do the same.
Protest voting is an ineffective and politically immature response to a party that you don't like.

 

[The Honorable]

The sad thing is that everyone is just going to do what they are going to do and nothing much is going to change!

We've seen our political stance change right before our eyes so I don't see why you would assume nothing is going to change simply because the people on this site have a unified ideology of "No tangibles, no votes". You want the ideology to be "No tangibles from Democrats, vote for Republicans" but that's not a Black First ideology. We are putting the needs of Black people first and saying "If you don't offer anything, you don't get our vote" PERIOD. Democrats can lose a couple times and decide to offer us something or Republicans can see an easy win for themselves and offer us something it can go either way. But at the end of the day, there needs to be an exchange for our votes.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

The are two things wrong with this.
1. Hilary lost not just because young black voters didn't show up but because young voters in general didn't show up. The young vote was behind Bernie Sanders because he had an agenda that would help young families including raising minimum wage and taxing the rich to provide social programs like free healthcare.
2. We will only hurt them by withholding for so long because out vote is being replaced.

1. You just acknowledged that a candidate garnered votes because he offered his base tangibles, yet you're asking Black Americans to vote for a party that isn't offering us anything. Why?

2. This sounds like a defeatist statement. Instead of doing the dirty work of negotiating, it seems like your stance is "we can't win the war, so we may as well defect to the other side". Is that accurate?

 

[ProMoatBlack]

Black people need to learn that their vote is for sale. You are advocating for the same thing that got us in this spot today, giving your vote for free. If the Republicans want out vote, earn it. Offer us something tangible and we’ll show up. With your methodology, all that would change is the party taking advantage of us. People don’t respect what they don‘t have to earn. They need to earn our vote from here on out.

I completely agree with this post. Here is my reasoning.
Black people were voting republican before 1965 and yet the other party tried to pretend to address our needs because Republicans were not taking care of our needs. This system wants to ping pong us back and forth without doing anything tangible. I am not a fan of the French but Bastille day came out of the general population rebelling against the government as a whole.
We should adopt this method in this current age. We are dissatisfied with both parties. We need to get the government to break by not submitting to their political system without any tangibles.

 

[ProMoatBlack]

More of us just need to be taught how quid pro quo works and maybe that would help with this blindly voting nonsense

True. In college I took political science. The first day they discussed that politics boils down to who gets what! An agenda determines what you are saying you want out of the political system. In this predatory capitalistic system having community capital insulates from all predatory practices this country imposes.

 

[Jay]

I completely agree with this post. Here is my reasoning.
Black people were voting republican before 1965 and yet the other party tried to pretend to address our needs because Republicans were not taking care of our needs. This system wants to ping pong us back and forth without doing anything tangible. I am not a fan of the French but Bastille day came out of the general population rebelling against the government as a whole.
We should adopt this method in this current age. We are dissatisfied with both parties. We need to get the government to break by not submitting to their political system without any tangibles.

That’s the genius of the American political system as a whole. Instead of having some monarch we can all point to and say “he’s the source of our ills” it has built a large bureaucracy that points fingers at one another.

The President blames the congress.

The house blames the senate.

The senate blames the house.

The government blames the people for not voting.

It’s a huge dog and pony show.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

1. You just acknowledged that a candidate garnered votes because he offered his base tangibles, yet you're asking Black Americans to vote for a party that isn't offering us anything. Why?

2. This sounds like a defeatist statement. Instead of doing the dirty work of negotiating, it seems like your stance is "we can't win the war, so we may as well defect to the other side". Is that accurate?

No. We can't get on code and get everyone doing the same thing so why bother.
That's more what I think!

 

[Nesut]

Vote for:

• Banning of Black History
• Increased funding for Police
• Increase in Privatized Prisons
• Support for White Militias
• Kid Gloves for White Racial Terrorism

To get back at the Democrats?

 

[ProMoatBlack]

That’s the genius of the American political system as a whole. Instead of having some monarch we can all point to and say “he’s the source of our ills” it has built a large bureaucracy that points fingers at one another.

The President blames the congress.

The house blames the senate.

The senate blames the house.

The government blames the people for not voting.

It’s a huge dog and pony show.

Indeed! Just like with the gun being a piece of technology that changed how they dominate
So to is the invention of centralized decentralized government.

 

[Red Velvet]

No. We can't get on code and get everyone doing the same thing so why bother.
That's more what I think!

We’ve seen the Democrats change the entire way they deal with Black people in the last 10 years and you think we cannot get on code? The toughest part of being on code is still adhering to it even when you don’t agree. The B1 are saying no tangibles, no vote you may not like it and you may not agree but that doesn’t mean there is no code.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I believe if we show that we and we alone as black people can tremendously affect the outcome of the election toward one side or the other they will be forced to listen.
RIght now we have the numbers on out side to make something happen. We have to all be on the same page thought. I'm all for sitting it out which will work. But for it to work there has to be such large numbers of us sitting it out that it has a large effect not just on the presidential election but down the ballot.

The thing that pisses me off is the very people who are saying sit it out are the very people on my other thread who said they aren't willing to try to teach and educate the civil rights generation.

We're not going to be all on code and not enough will sit out with that mentality. I have been able to talk to a few close friends and family of mine that are older and convince them to either sit it out or protest vote but under no circumstance vote for the Democrats. I was able to articulate why and get them to listen.

When I say educate the older generation I'm not talking about just every single one of them for one person. What I am advocating for is to talk to a few people close to you and get them on code. If we all do that it is going to add up to thousands extra sitting out. That has a greater effect.

They aren't going to listen to a person they don't personally know on YouTube but they will listen to a son, daughter, or grandchild, niece or nephew. If you try and they are stubborn try with someone else. Even if you only get half of the people you talk to on code it's something.

 

[LatagiaCopelandTyronce]

There was actually sources posted in here that showed that young Black voters cost Hilary the election. You have posted no sources for anything you have said.

• You said abstaining doesn’t hurt the Dems.
• You were shown proof that Black people abstaining hurt Hilary Clinton.

Now you’re saying “well it was white young people too”. You need to back up the things you are saying.

Well said. I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

No. We can't get on code and get everyone doing the same thing so why bother.
That's more what I think!

Nah, breh. I can't cosign that.
My people come from the struggle. My people have a warrior spirit. I come from fighters.
"We can't win so why bother?" Isn't in my DNA.
The vast majority of the brothers and sisters on this site are cut from the same kind of cloth.
If you are willing to lay down and embrace your demise, then that's on you. Please don't ask or expect the rest of us to lay down with you, though; we're planning to fight.