The Cookout

[Jay]

There is a huge trend online that seeks to separate Black America from any ties to Africa. To do so, it minimizes the transatlantic slave trade to a minor activity that resulted in less than 300k Africans being brought to the USA. It states that the majority of Black Americans are descendants of an indigenous population to “the Americas” predating the “Red” natives.

Now at face value, stating that Black people were here before Columbus is not controversial, Mansa Musa Keita said it himself. While in Egypt he expressed that his people encountered the land now called “The Americas” which is how he came to power (his predecessor abdicated his throne to sail there).

Moorish navigators have also known of this land and after being conquered helped the Spanish navigate here to rape and pillage. But one thing that the Moors and the Mali Empire have in common is that they are both from Africa.

In Ivan Van Sertima’s book “they came before Columbus” he states that plants native to Africa (East and west) were found in mesoamerica. He used this as an example of how Africans and the natives here have been trading with one another for centuries.

So the question arises. If African people knew of this land and the red populations of this land spoke of Black people who arrived from the seas isn’t it smart to presume that the Black people here are descendants of African settlers?

Especially considering that:

• Black Americans look like several African populations.
• Black Americans have a hair texture similar to most of Africa.
• Black Americans have a bone structure similar to African populations.
• Black Americans have similar features to certain African populations: Full Lips, Broad Noses, Tall builds, higher calf muscles.
• Black Americans have a rhythmic musical culture that emphasizes drumming.

So I ask…are we Black Americans African genetically? If you don’t think so, please state why and state who our original identities were. For instance, “red” natives can tell you what they called this land before the Europeans arrived. They can give you their original names, lineages, etc. please provide that detail if possible. If not, state why you cannot.

 

[RCNAL]

My guess is you are referring to Tariq Nasheed's FBA (Foundational Black Americans). If that is your source or one of them, he and others don't claim no connection to Africa but a combination. Partly from the estimated 3-500 thousand slaves primarily from west Africa as well as already black skinned indigenous peoples.

Tariq always has his facts to support it so I personally have no issue with it. What I like about the lineage, whatever you may call it is that along with it, is coming a change in how things are changing in terms of how serious we are all taking white supremacy, how we are all acting as a socieity and we are weeding out those who are off code whether they be FBA or non FBA. An internal house cleaning is way over due. A code is starting to replace things. It's needed.

 

[equis]

There is a huge trend online that seeks to separate Black America from any ties to Africa. To do so, it minimizes the transatlantic slave trade to a minor activity that resulted in less than 300k Africans being brought to the USA. It states that the majority of Black Americans are descendants of an indigenous population to “the Americas” predating the “Red” natives.

Now at face value, stating that Black people were here before Columbus is not controversial, Mansa Musa Keita said it himself. While in Egypt he expressed that his people encountered the land now called “The Americas” which is how he came to power (his predecessor abdicated his throne to sail there).

Moorish navigators have also known of this land and after being conquered helped the Spanish navigate here to rape and pillage. But one thing that the Moors and the Mali Empire have in common is that they are both from Africa.

In Ivan Van Sertima’s book “they came before Columbus” he states that plants native to Africa (East and west) were found in mesoamerica. He used this as an example of how Africans and the natives here have been trading with one another for centuries.

So the question arises. If African people knew of this land and the red populations of this land spoke of Black people who arrived from the seas isn’t it smart to presume that the Black people here are descendants of African settlers?

Especially considering that:

• Black Americans look like several African populations.
• Black Americans have a hair texture similar to most of Africa.
• Black Americans have a bone structure similar to African populations.
• Black Americans have similar features to certain African populations: Full Lips, Broad Noses, Tall builds, higher calf muscles.
• Black Americans have a rhythmic musical culture that emphasizes drumming.

So I ask…are we Black Americans African genetically? If you don’t think so, please state why and state who our original identities were. For instance, “red” natives can tell you what they called this land before the Europeans arrived. They can give you their original names, lineages, etc. please provide that detail if possible. If not, state why you cannot.

Many things point to Africans having a very expansive reach on the world. The Bantu speaking populations in the Indian ocean, the fact that the Middle East was populated by African kingdoms, Pharaoh Necho II having an expedition that completed the Cape Route, the Dufuna canoes of Nigeria dating back 8000 years ago. Africa has a long history of naval prowess and was very interconnected through rivers and other water networks. So denying our ties to Africa is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Jay]

My guess is you are referring to Tariq Nasheed's FBA (Foundational Black Americans). If that is your source or one of them, he and others don't claim no connection to Africa but a combination. Partly from the estimated 3-500 thousand slaves primarily from west Africa as well as already black skinned indigenous peoples.

Tariq always has his facts to support it so I personally have no issue with it. What I like about the lineage, whatever you may call it is that along with it, is coming a change in how things are changing in terms of how serious we are all taking white supremacy, how we are all acting as a socieity and we are weeding out those who are off code whether they be FBA or non FBA. An internal house cleaning is way over due. A code is starting to replace things. It's needed.

I believe there's two separate conversations going on and people are becoming confused because Nationality, Race, and Ethnicity can be confusing concepts. For instance:

Person A:

Race: Black
Ethnicity: Black American
Nationality: American

Person B:

Race: Black
Ethnicity: Afro-Brazilian
Nationality: Brazillian

Person C:

Race: Black
Ethnicity: Yoruba
Nationality: Nigerian

Many people who cling to this philosophy say that Person B and C cannot be Black because they are not American. When you ask "What is Black" their response is "American". When you ask what is Black about being American they say "It's because we're indigenous".

What's fascinating about that is that when you remove all cultural identifiers you wouldn't be able to tell people from these 3 groups apart in a lot of cases. I have seen many a Nigerian who I thought were Black American until they spoke.

I think the circling of the wagons is good and calling out coons of foreign backgrounds is much needed. BUT the whole aspect of it that minimizes our African genetics is getting out of hand.

Look at these tweets:


View: https://twitter.com/6ZEROS_net/status/1550723881526185984?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/TeeWats1/status/1550725363478589440?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/6ZEROS_net/status/1550727966920822784?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/TeeWats1/status/1550728319498219520?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/6ZEROS_net/status/1550729192773386240?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A

You see this thought process becoming more and more prevalent. Where people are saying that Black = Black American which means that Marcus Garvey and Stokely Carmichael aren't Black and Malcolm X is half-Black. It's becoming ludicrous.

 

[Jay]

View: https://twitter.com/TeeWats1/status/1550729963589947392?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/6ZEROS_net/status/1550733831069519872?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/6ZEROS_net/status/1550736386264670208?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A


You see this thought process becoming more and more prevalent. Where people are saying that Black = Black American which means that Marcus Garvey and Stokely Carmichael aren't Black and Malcolm X is half-Black. It's becoming ludicrous.

 

[equis]

I believe there's two separate conversations going on and people are becoming confused because Nationality, Race, and Ethnicity can be confusing concepts. For instance:

Person A:

Race: Black
Ethnicity: Black American
Nationality: American

Person B:

Race: Black
Ethnicity: Afro-Brazilian
Nationality: Brazillian

Person C:

Race: Black
Ethnicity: Yoruba
Nationality: Nigerian

Many people who cling to this philosophy say that Person B and C cannot be Black because they are not American. When you ask "What is Black" their response is "American". When you ask what is Black about being American they say "It's because we're indigenous".

What's fascinating about that is that when you remove all cultural identifiers you wouldn't be able to tell people from these 3 groups apart in a lot of cases. I have seen many a Nigerian who I thought were Black American until they spoke.

I think the circling of the wagons is good and calling out coons of foreign backgrounds is much needed. BUT the whole aspect of it that minimizes our African genetics is getting out of hand.

Look at these tweets:


View: https://twitter.com/6ZEROS_net/status/1550723881526185984?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/TeeWats1/status/1550725363478589440?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/6ZEROS_net/status/1550727966920822784?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/TeeWats1/status/1550728319498219520?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A



View: https://twitter.com/6ZEROS_net/status/1550729192773386240?s=20&t=9_AI1sFmQPwp_m6vPgY78A

You see this thought process becoming more and more prevalent. Where people are saying that Black = Black American which means that Marcus Garvey and Stokely Carmichael aren't Black and Malcolm X is half-Black. It's becoming ludicrous.

Firstly, that sister's tweets are great contenders for Sorry Tyrone Ur Post Isn't Deep. Secondly, she kept changing the definition of black and moving the goalpost throughout the whole thread. Goes to show the confusion some of our people face. She really tried to say Stokely Carmichael was black by virtue of him being an American citizen 😂 She just has to be honest with herself and admit she hates Non-American blacks and keep it moving.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

All roads lead to and outta the mother continent, Africa -an anathema to many fleeing their blackness. Many hold other beliefs and theories but it being the original birth place of all mankind is the most plausible but critically disputed. As the late great Dr Amos Wilson emphasised on many occasions -if God had intended for us to be poor he wouldn't have put us on the richest continent that provided ALL our needs!
Too many insecure and ego-learned black people mire themselves unwittingly in this minutia distraction instead of focusing on the bigger agenda of attaining systemic global black empowerment. If you're moderate to richly melanated - you're BLACK! Assume combat position and fight whitesubpremacy - vainglorious tribalism and non essential breakdown of DNA can come after our victory!
Conversely, if you're looking for a ruse to sustain divisive infighting to stymie progress then simply remain fixated on this futile impasse.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

There is a huge trend online that seeks to separate Black America from any ties to Africa. To do so, it minimizes the transatlantic slave trade to a minor activity that resulted in less than 300k Africans being brought to the USA. It states that the majority of Black Americans are descendants of an indigenous population to “the Americas” predating the “Red” natives.

Now at face value, stating that Black people were here before Columbus is not controversial, Mansa Musa Keita said it himself. While in Egypt he expressed that his people encountered the land now called “The Americas” which is how he came to power (his predecessor abdicated his throne to sail there).

Moorish navigators have also known of this land and after being conquered helped the Spanish navigate here to rape and pillage. But one thing that the Moors and the Mali Empire have in common is that they are both from Africa.

In Ivan Van Sertima’s book “they came before Columbus” he states that plants native to Africa (East and west) were found in mesoamerica. He used this as an example of how Africans and the natives here have been trading with one another for centuries.

So the question arises. If African people knew of this land and the red populations of this land spoke of Black people who arrived from the seas isn’t it smart to presume that the Black people here are descendants of African settlers?

Especially considering that:

• Black Americans look like several African populations.
• Black Americans have a hair texture similar to most of Africa.
• Black Americans have a bone structure similar to African populations.
• Black Americans have similar features to certain African populations: Full Lips, Broad Noses, Tall builds, higher calf muscles.
• Black Americans have a rhythmic musical culture that emphasizes drumming.

So I ask…are we Black Americans African genetically? If you don’t think so, please state why and state who our original identities were. For instance, “red” natives can tell you what they called this land before the Europeans arrived. They can give you their original names, lineages, etc. please provide that detail if possible. If not, state why you cannot.

The thing many of us often lose sight of is the lengths an impostor thief will readily go to in order to keep hold of the prized stolen loot when under suspicion -$5 indians springs to mind!

 

[RCNAL]

At the end of the day, I personally don't care what a person or group of melanated people choose to identify themselves as. Are they on code and fighting white supremacy. Everything else is conversation.

The FBA or whatever movement or whatever, they are fighting white supremacy and will ally with anyone else who is. That's being on code. Fighting for white supremacy. If you are not alligning with others in the same fight you are off code. Simply as that to me.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

There is a huge trend online that seeks to separate Black America from any ties to Africa. To do so, it minimizes the transatlantic slave trade to a minor activity that resulted in less than 300k Africans being brought to the USA. It states that the majority of Black Americans are descendants of an indigenous population to “the Americas” predating the “Red” natives.

Now at face value, stating that Black people were here before Columbus is not controversial, Mansa Musa Keita said it himself. While in Egypt he expressed that his people encountered the land now called “The Americas” which is how he came to power (his predecessor abdicated his throne to sail there).

Moorish navigators have also known of this land and after being conquered helped the Spanish navigate here to rape and pillage. But one thing that the Moors and the Mali Empire have in common is that they are both from Africa.

In Ivan Van Sertima’s book “they came before Columbus” he states that plants native to Africa (East and west) were found in mesoamerica. He used this as an example of how Africans and the natives here have been trading with one another for centuries.

So the question arises. If African people knew of this land and the red populations of this land spoke of Black people who arrived from the seas isn’t it smart to presume that the Black people here are descendants of African settlers?

Especially considering that:

• Black Americans look like several African populations.
• Black Americans have a hair texture similar to most of Africa.
• Black Americans have a bone structure similar to African populations.
• Black Americans have similar features to certain African populations: Full Lips, Broad Noses, Tall builds, higher calf muscles.
• Black Americans have a rhythmic musical culture that emphasizes drumming.

So I ask…are we Black Americans African genetically? If you don’t think so, please state why and state who our original identities were. For instance, “red” natives can tell you what they called this land before the Europeans arrived. They can give you their original names, lineages, etc. please provide that detail if possible. If not, state why you cannot.

The thing many of us often lose sight of is the lengths an impostor thief will readily go to in order to keep hold of the prized stolen loot when under suspicion -$5 indians springs to mind!
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At the end of the day, I personally don't care what a person or group of melanated people choose to identify themselves as. Are they on code and fighting white supremacy. Everything else is conversation.

The FBA or whatever movement or whatever, they are fighting white supremacy and will ally with anyone else who is. That's being on code. Fighting for white supremacy. If you are not alligning with others in the same fight you are off code. Simply as that to me.

If only it were that simple though. Off code behaviour impacts negatively on the group so there must be enforceable punishment; agreed upon deterrents. We ALL have a responsibility. May involve disowning blood relative(s) and many are neither aware or ready for that. We've only just realised the importance of group code of conduct but adherence is the ongoing and challenging next step which will take awhile but will also separate the wheat from the chaff in the process.

 

[RCNAL]

The thing many of us often lose sight of is the lengths an impostor thief will readily go to in order to keep hold of the prized stolen loot when under suspicion -$5 indians springs to mind!
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If only it were that simple though. Off code behaviour impacts negatively on the group so there must be enforceable punishment; agreed upon deterrents. We ALL have a responsibility. May involve disowning blood relative(s) and many are neither aware or ready for that. We've only just realised the importance of group code of conduct but adherence is the ongoing and challenging next step which will take awhile but will also separate the wheat from the chaff in the process.

I think its not as complicated though. I am not saying to disown off code or even coons in the family unless they are over the top doing some Candace Owens, Larry Elder thing. I have off code family members and homies from way back in the day. I don't eff with them other than socially when I have to. We call can decide the level of interaction.

That is different than the title. The crux of it all that FBAs are looking at is, 'Do you support their reparations claim?' If you strip it all down, that's what it is. The 'different ethnicity' thing, to me at least, isn't a big deal. If an FBA or whatever you may want to call it and a non FBA or whatever other term are both 'on code' fighting white supremacy, then its all love. The vitriol comes almost always from non FBAs who are off code anyway, same with FBA coons, sell outs or they just too scared and comfortable. All of that is off code. I think it really is as simple as 'on code' vs 'off code'.

Black Americans support Blacks in the UK's fight for equality, they support Caribbean islands fight for reparations, they support black South Africans trying to make their economy fairer as well as other African countries, always have, before this current movement and after. The callers to people Jason Black, Tariq, etc, who are non FBA but support, always get love.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

I think its not as complicated though. I am not saying to disown off code or even coons in the family unless they are over the top doing some Candace Owens, Larry Elder thing. I have off code family members and homies from way back in the day. I don't eff with them other than socially when I have to. We call can decide the level of interaction.

That is different than the title. The crux of it all that FBAs are looking at is, 'Do you support their reparations claim?' If you strip it all down, that's what it is. The 'different ethnicity' thing, to me at least, isn't a big deal. If an FBA or whatever you may want to call it and a non FBA or whatever other term are both 'on code' fighting white supremacy, then its all love. The vitriol comes almost always from non FBAs who are off code anyway, same with FBA coons, sell outs or they just too scared and comfortable. All of that is off code. I think it really is as simple as 'on code' vs 'off code'.

Black Americans support Blacks in the UK's fight for equality, they support Caribbean islands fight for reparations, they support black South Africans trying to make their economy fairer as well as other African countries, always have, before this current movement and after. The callers to people Jason Black, Tariq, etc, who are non FBA but support, always get love.

My comment and your comment are both tangential but a direct answer to the question posed is: YES. ALL black people are of African descent because it was the cradle of civilisation. FBA heritage stems from the original Africans that migrated to the Americas and settled the land, ergo, they became the TRUE native Americans. The vast majority of Africans remained on the continent until millions were taken captive and sold into slavery throughout the diaspora. In fact, some (troublemakers) from the diaspora were relocated to America. It is well documented that Barbados was the main buck breaking colony .Much of the enmity between FBAs and diasporian blacks is borne out of, paradoxically, different yet shared experiences.
Noteworthy, not every non FBA is an adversary against reparations but the vibe does, invariably, feel like being tarred with the one condemnatory brush. Need to be careful not to drive an inviolable wedge. Some of us, non FBA, acknowledge FBAs' frustration in fending off opposition but alienation of diasporian allies is regrettable.

 

[RCNAL]

I think there are more non FBAs who are not down than there are down. A lot more and therein lies the issue. If non FBAs by and large were supportive of the struggle and pan Africanists, I don't think this FBA thing would have taken the hold it did. They say hit dogs yell the loudest and that's what we are seeing from the outspoken non FBAs who are either copping pleas or outright adversarial.

Here is the cold par though. I'm in Dubai at the moment and its the native Africans who are tryna link because they are the bottom socially and black Brits and Americans are part of the white/western set.

I am not tripping on the designation. The larger, more important issue is the fight and the struggle and what we, those who consider themselves to be for black empowerment, etc are going to do. At the end of the day, that's the most important thing. If its done under the moniker of FBA so be it.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

FBA has tenacity and undoubtedly will achieve their goal irrespective of allies.
There really shouldn't be any dissension among us because it's win win for all of us when FBA succeeds.

 

[RCNAL]

FBA has tenacity and undoubtedly will achieve their goal irrespective of allies.
There really shouldn't be any dissension among us because it's win win for all of us when FBA succeeds.

Exactly, as I said, I personally consider it to be off code if you are a black person and are against FBAs getting it.

 

[Jay]

FBA has tenacity and undoubtedly will achieve their goal irrespective of allies.
There really shouldn't be any dissension among us because it's win win for all of us when FBA succeeds.

But some of the FBA is becoming cultish. It‘s moved way beyond a simple prioritization of ethnicity and an outright bashing of everyone that isn‘t FBA. If you disagree with anything a lot of these people say you‘re automatically a tether.

 

[RCNAL]

But some of the FBA is becoming cultish. It‘s moved way beyond a simple prioritization of ethnicity and an outright bashing of everyone that isn‘t FBA. If you disagree with anything a lot of these people say you‘re automatically a tether.

You will always have people who do extras. Always. The ones with the voices (Tariq, Jason Black, those who are heave in the clubhouse and twitter spaces) are appreciative of any non FBA who says he or she is in full support. I have not heard anyone (but that's me, maybe you have) reject any non FBA in America who calls in, etc.

And if you do, that person is off code. Simple as that. And I would say they are a very, very small group. Nipsy Hussle has an Eritrean parent and is still loved during this whole FBA thing.

 

[Sapphire]

I never heard of black people having ties with Native Americans. They have different skin and hair. They have red undertones, no body hair, and their hair is more like Asians. I am a bit confused by this. We are the one race of people who have a direct tie to a nation because we weren't like these other groups who went around stealing other people's land!

 

[TeeGee]

If black Americans don't have any ties with Africa then who are they tied to, or they just suddenly sprouts out of no where but look exactly like indigenous Africans.

Some questions aren't meant to be asked when the answer is looking at us right in the face.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

But some of the FBA is becoming cultish. It‘s moved way beyond a simple prioritization of ethnicity and an outright bashing of everyone that isn‘t FBA. If you disagree with anything a lot of these people say you‘re automatically a tether.

Yes, I concur with your observation. That's why I mentioned that they need to be careful they don't alienate the few diasporian allies as it is. I support their legitimate claim but I'm certainly not jealous or envious of them because they are not the only ones with inspirational legacies from courageous ancestors.

 

[Jay]

You will always have people who do extras. Always. The ones with the voices (Tariq, Jason Black, those who are heave in the clubhouse and twitter spaces) are appreciative of any non FBA who says he or she is in full support. I have not heard anyone (but that's me, maybe you have) reject any non FBA in America who calls in, etc.

And if you do, that person is off code. Simple as that. And I would say they are a very, very small group. Nipsy Hussle has an Eritrean parent and is still loved during this whole FBA thing.

Yes the problem is that there wasn’t an attempt to reign it in until it got to nuclear meltdown status. Now the FBA radiation is spreading and we have people saying Black Americans have no connection to Africa, all Africans are tethers, and that America is all we need. I don’t know why people think we will ever be able to live here comfortably. Burning bridges with the diaspora and the continent will only hurt us in the end.

Yes, I concur with your observation. That's why I mentioned that they need to be careful they don't alienate the few diasporian allies as it is. I support their legitimate claim but I'm certainly not jealous or envious of them because they are not the only ones with inspirational legacies from courageous ancestors.

You hit the nail on the head. They are even turning off other on code Black Americans dude to how idiotic a lot of the more vocal ones are. Lines like:

Only Black Americans are Black
Only Black Americans have fought White Supremacy
I’m not African, I’m native

Are all dumb AF to me. The other day a Brotha walks up to me and asks if I work security. I tell him no I don’t and I tell him what I do. He says he wants to get into it so we swap numbers. I had not idea he was not Black American until I saw his name.

FBA turned from a lineage to a dogma.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

Yes the problem is that there wasn’t an attempt to reign it in until it got to nuclear meltdown status. Now the FBA radiation is spreading and we have people saying Black Americans have no connection to Africa, all Africans are tethers, and that America is all we need. I don’t know why people think we will ever be able to live here comfortably. Burning bridges with the diaspora and the continent will only hurt us in the end.


You hit the nail on the head. They are even turning off other on code Black Americans dude to how idiotic a lot of the more vocal ones are. Lines like:

Only Black Americans are Black
Only Black Americans have fought White Supremacy
I’m not African, I’m native

Are all dumb AF to me. The other day a Brotha walks up to me and asks if I work security. I tell him no I don’t and I tell him what I do. He says he wants to get into it so we swap numbers. I had not idea he was not Black American until I saw his name.

FBA turned from a lineage to a dogma.

If black Americans don't have any ties with Africa then who are they tied to, or they just suddenly sprouts out of no where but look exactly like indigenous Africans.

Some questions aren't meant to be asked when the answer is looking at us right in the face.

Excellent summation! This whole lineage distinction debacle has gotten out of hand to levels of grandiose delusional absurdity.

ALL roads lead to and out of Africa! The same esteemed black scholars that they cite and revere affirmed this very fact. Their, FBA, unfounded rationale is on a par with that of our arch enemy in their absurd claim to Egypt as if their white predecessors got there by osmosis on a predominant black continent!🙄 The level of sheer ignorance is astounding. I recently had a fully fledged nigga tell me that black people have no epigenetic connection whatsoever with Africa (he was too thick to actually use that description) but he was vehemently opposed to the notion of any connection which was absolutely incredulous to me. Can no longer converse with that level of ignorance.

I'm fully supportive of their legitimate claim for anti black American slavery reparations but they are making a mountain out of a mole hill by alienating everyone else just because they are not FBA though many are B1.
They diminish the fact that black diasporians actually suffered worst atrocities by the hand of their colonial masters and that many of them did resist and suffered greatly.

Irrespective of the coonery and buffoonery we are ALL Africans by descent and have a shared epigenetic history! -Dr Amos Wilson

 

[Harbinger]

. I recently had a fully fledged nigga tell me that black people have no epigenetic connection whatsoever with Africa (he was too thick to actually use that description) but he was vehemently opposed to the notion of any connection which was absolutely incredulous to me. Can no longer converse with that level of ignorance.

He's an epic genetic idiot that's what he is. No one could convince me that we have no connect to Africa. My hair tells me otherwise.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

He's an epic genetic idiot that's what he is. No one could convince me that we have no connect to Africa. My hair tells me otherwise.

😂😂😂😂👍🏿

 

[GwynShivers]

He's an epic genetic idiot that's what he is. No one could convince me that we have no connect to Africa. My hair tells me otherwise.

I think we're tied to both, especially our grandparents. My husband's Grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, married to an African American.
One of my Grandmothers was Blackfoot, also married to an African American.

 

[educatedman23]

But some of the FBA is becoming cultish. It‘s moved way beyond a simple prioritization of ethnicity and an outright bashing of everyone that isn‘t FBA. If you disagree with anything a lot of these people say you‘re automatically a tether.

Fully agree

 

[Blackgravity]

All Black comes from Africa, the problem is, some of the Black people born outside of Africa think they're not.
A lot of them identify with geography, not DNA.
I know a large part of my DNA comes from Africa, Being born in America doesn't change that. My culture, ethnicity and geography has nothing to do with Africa, but I'm still African, my DNA says so.
But am I also American, hell yes. BLACK? Damn Skippy, my issue is with Black people who deny their Blackness, I've seen a lot of people from South America deny even being black, but are way darker than me, with Afros!
I think the difference is, I'm not ashamed to claim what I am, others obviously have an issue with the African mixed in their bloodline.

 

[Blackgravity]

And yes, I do have native blood too.

 

[Revolution_2]

There is a huge trend online that seeks to separate Black America from any ties to Africa. To do so, it minimizes the transatlantic slave trade to a minor activity that resulted in less than 300k Africans being brought to the USA. It states that the majority of Black Americans are descendants of an indigenous population to “the Americas” predating the “Red” natives.

Now at face value, stating that Black people were here before Columbus is not controversial, Mansa Musa Keita said it himself. While in Egypt he expressed that his people encountered the land now called “The Americas” which is how he came to power (his predecessor abdicated his throne to sail there).

Moorish navigators have also known of this land and after being conquered helped the Spanish navigate here to rape and pillage. But one thing that the Moors and the Mali Empire have in common is that they are both from Africa.

In Ivan Van Sertima’s book “they came before Columbus” he states that plants native to Africa (East and west) were found in mesoamerica. He used this as an example of how Africans and the natives here have been trading with one another for centuries.

So the question arises. If African people knew of this land and the red populations of this land spoke of Black people who arrived from the seas isn’t it smart to presume that the Black people here are descendants of African settlers?

Especially considering that:

• Black Americans look like several African populations.
• Black Americans have a hair texture similar to most of Africa.
• Black Americans have a bone structure similar to African populations.
• Black Americans have similar features to certain African populations: Full Lips, Broad Noses, Tall builds, higher calf muscles.
• Black Americans have a rhythmic musical culture that emphasizes drumming.

So I ask…are we Black Americans African genetically? If you don’t think so, please state why and state who our original identities were. For instance, “red” natives can tell you what they called this land before the Europeans arrived. They can give you their original names, lineages, etc. please provide that detail if possible. If not, state why you cannot.

Jay, I believe that we were here first through migration, but it is feasible to think that we are a part of an earlier civilization apart from Africa. If we rely on the facts that we are the first people on the planet, then I'd say we migrated throughout the earth, including America. My question is why we can only originate from Africa and not different parts of the planet. I pose this question; why are the aboriginal black people of Australia, an island, considered the original people of that land mass, but we question if we are the aboriginal people of this land?

 

[WhipsAndChains]

A few youtubers have the diaspora in shambles. Wilie Lynch is smiling in hell.

 

[RCNAL]

I personally have not met or seen anything online of American blacks (for lack of a better term) saying they have no connection to Africa whatsoever. If there is, they have to be a very, very small minority of people.
The ones with the biggest platform (Tariq, TBA, Taurean Reign, Dr. Boyce Watkins and others) have never said that. So, until I see much bigger numbers of FBAs (again, lack of a better term) start saying that, I'll just consider it the same as other very, very small fraction of blacks who believe in things that pretty much all other blacks reject or don't believe.

Finally, at the end of the day, I don't give a f*ck if someone wants to be connected to Africa or not IF they are on code fighting white supremacy. At the end of the day you are either on code (fighting white supremacy) or you are not.

 

[B1 rebel 365]

I think we're tied to both, especially our grandparents. My husband's Grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, married to an African American.
One of my Grandmothers was Blackfoot, also married to an African American.

That being the case, you're also entitled to reparations for land theft👍🏿

 

[B1 rebel 365]

A few youtubers have the diaspora in shambles. Wilie Lynch is smiling in hell.

Not quite -he's a fictitious character. Oh yes!

 

[WhipsAndChains]

Not quite -he's a fictitious character. Oh yes!

I know that. I used that name in a figurative sense to make a point. Cheers anyway, bruv.

 

[RCNAL]

In any movement there are going to be all kinds of voices. In this one, the ones with the biggest platforms are saying that black Americans are a combination of enslaved Africans that mixed with dark skinned natives.

If someone were to call in to any of the largest platforms that are topical FBA, they will be told they are wrong if they say FBAs have no connection to Africa. They will get relegated somewhat to the Moorish, sovereign person, niche of this movement. If someone can name anyone of note with a platform saying this, I'm all ears. I don't see how that will ever take serious hold. It could but I doubt it.

For the sake of argument, humor me, my question for those that say there are no connections to Africa. Okay, then what? What's the end game? Do you support reparation struggles elsewhere? Do you accept non FBAs who fight for YOUR repearations. The Maori in New Zealand adopted aspects of the Black Power movement of the '70s and saw black Americans as brothers in the struggle even though they are a completely different ethnicity with no 'recent' blood connection to black Americans.

Call yourself whatever or say you are descended from whomever but at the end of the day if you are melanated and look like other melanted peoples because those who are now saying they are not African can't distinguish many that aren't without paperwork, are you fighting white supremacy? If you are, then you are aligned with ALL who are fighting white supremacy.

I repeat, you are either on code or off code at the end of the day.

 

[Troy]

If someone were to call in to any of the largest platforms that are topical FBA, they will be told they are wrong if they say FBAs have no connection to Africa. They will get relegated somewhat to the Moorish, sovereign person, niche of this movement. If someone can name anyone of note with a platform saying this, I'm all ears. I don't see how that will ever take serious hold. It could but I doubt it.

There is only one platform that is “topical FBA” and that is Tariq and he is the one to blame. He didn’t start trying to clear the shit up until the FBAs started to attack the B1.

Before the Secure the Tribe bozos attacked Jason Black, Tariq was pushing the ignorant anti-immigrant shit non-stop. I know you will say “well he did say it wasn’t all immigrants” and yes but it be

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He created this situation and once it got out of control he tried to put the genie back in the bottle.

That’s why I stopped fooling with him because he uses weasel words to not have to stand by shit he says.

He says all this anti-immigrant shit talking about hairlines, jollof rice, shitty countries and then when everyone starts following then he says “I don’t hate immigrants, I said I liked immigrants one time out of the last 8 comments.

His impreciseness is why this shit is going down like that. He was fucking with secure the tribe heavy and all up in their spaces he put the battery in their back.

 

[RCNAL]

There is only one platform that is “topical FBA” and that is Tariq and he is the one to blame. He didn’t start trying to clear the shit up until the FBAs started to attack the B1.

Tariq clown a lot but I fux with him heavy. As well as Jason Black and Professor Black Truth and a few others. It's how I found this site. Not an excuse but no just movement stays 100 percent pure. There were issues within the Civil Rights movement, Black Panthers and Nation of Islam at their heights. No way you have that many people, especially black people and there is no infighting, impreciseness, etc. That said, I see your point but overall, I'm fully onboard the whole reparations thing as defined (for FBAs only).

Overall, it's a positive movement in my humble opinion. I love that its also affecting how we are acting culturally, socially. Ratchet shit is being called out more. Things, people, that are not pro black empowerment, pro black betterment, are being called out more.

Can the movement be better? Sure. But overall, its a positive thing in my humble opinion. Again, plenty of immigrant descended folks have called in with support and gotten props. The ones I see getting roasted are those that make excuses for non FBA off code behavior or are outright adversarial. The environment seems to be, either be fully on board or out. I don't know if anything is that black and white as there are 'gray' areas in all things but it is what it is.

 

[educatedman23]

The elders in my family never told me that we were from Africa. They always said we were the real Indians.

 

[RCNAL]

Maybe I'm not on the same forums or social media as you guys but my question is, is it really enough people saying so-called American blacks (for lack of a better word/FBA) are not connected genetically to Africa to matter?

There have been Black Hebrew Isrealites and at the most, a few thousand...maybe..out of 38 million blacks which is infinitesimal. How many are saying this? Okay, yes, it can grow but really?

Part of the power of the reparations movement is the middle passage. Also, as I have said, none of the people with the biggest platforms are pushing this. So, at the end of the day, is it even important?

The supporting evidence points to both. American blacks are a combination of the few hundred thousand that made it from the middle passage along with dark skin natives. This is the only forum I've heard it being debated American Blacks/FBAs are not genetically tied to Africans at all.

 

[Revolution_2]

Maybe I'm not on the same forums or social media as you guys but my question is, is it really enough people saying so-called American blacks (for lack of a better word/FBA) are not connected genetically to Africa to matter?

There have been Black Hebrew Isrealites and at the most, a few thousand...maybe..out of 38 million blacks which is infinitesimal. How many are saying this? Okay, yes, it can grow but really?

Part of the power of the reparations movement is the middle passage. Also, as I have said, none of the people with the biggest platforms are pushing this. So, at the end of the day, is it even important?

The supporting evidence points to both. American blacks are a combination of the few hundred thousand that made it from the middle passage along with dark skin natives. This is the only forum I've heard it being debated American Blacks/FBAs are not genetically tied to Africans at all.

So to say this you believe that black people only came from Africa during slavery and never traveled from Africa to all other countries in the world. There is documentation of Africans being Master ship builders 10's of thousands of years ago and traveling from Africa to the coast of the Americas. You also believe that we are not the original man and woman. Which means you also believe that we didn't have the capacity to travel from Africa to all other nations. Now when they call the black people of Australia aboriginals there's no debate but when we say we are Aboriginal or indigenous to this land also, we get push back.

The fight for reparations has nothing really to do with just the middle passage of slavery. It is the wrongs done to our people. Whether they came from Africa or were indigenous and living on this land before any other human being, they were conquered by Invaders just as the aboriginals of Australia and so many other countries.

 

[RCNAL]

Nah not saying that. I'm talking about blacks as we know them in America only being natives and no blood from Africa. I've never heard that before. I've heard a combination but this forum is the first time I've even heard that debated.

Anyway, whatever the term or heritage or whatever, the descendants of those that were enslaved in the killing fields of the American south as Professor Black Truth likes to day and categorized as the same are due reparations. That we can all agree on.

 

[educatedman23]

I don't like describing myself as a native American because anybody who was born in the US is a native American. I see myself as part of the original inhabitants of this land.