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When did The Honorable Marcus Garvey become dishonorable?
Who is throwing dirt on him? I've not seen it. Are there any notable black empowerment influencers doing that? I've heard nothing but good things from Tariq, TBA and PBT. Dr. Umar is a huge fan of his as well.
He became dishonorable when tribalism came to the USA. Now every single Black immigrant has to be discredited. There’s very little nuance and reason. Niggas now talking about Egypt was in the USA and that the Nile Delta is really the Mississippi delta.
For the record I love our Icons I understand they are not perfect but it's what they were able to accomplish with their lives that have made a difference in ours! I guarantee that the people talking shit about Garvey haven't busted a grape! B1✊🏿
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He looks nothing like him. I hope he acts this well to where it is believable that he is/was Marcus Garvey.
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No. Our people tend to only have respect for him. There are a ton of our people who don't know who he was. Probably only people who are in Black first circles. I don't think I have ever seen other races of people even talk about Garvey so I don't know what their opinions are.
Yeah it’s the wild Wild West on those platforms. You can diss any Black person you want on those sites.
I'm not too surprised. We are dealing with 40 some odd million blacks. There are going to be some who will say anything. That's to be expected. The crazier the opinion or view the more it will go viral. That's how things are and they know that.
There are different types that will do something like that: a. agents and agent provocateurs b. whites posing as blacks as disruptors c. Some blacks who will use B1 to mask their own issues (attention whoring, they never liked any black foreigners for whatever reason no matter how down they are, whatever other sh*t). d. some of the aforementioned will put out some wild stuff to test the waters, see what will stick and what doesn't. That's a common tactic of white folks.
For example, black LBGTQ tried to float the possibility of Tupac being gay. Black feminists waited till right after Dr. Welsing passed to sh*t on her legacy. The same feminists talked about MLK Jrs infidelity as a reason not to honor him.
As long as the main influencers aren't supporting and the rest of us stay on code and clap back, it can be 'managed'.
There are different types that will do something like that: a. agents and agent provocateurs b. whites posing as blacks as disruptors c. Some blacks who will use B1 to mask their own issues (attention whoring, they never liked any black foreigners for whatever reason no matter how down they are, whatever other sh*t). d. some of the aforementioned will put out some wild stuff to test the waters, see what will stick and what doesn't. That's a common tactic of white folks.
For example, black LBGTQ tried to float the possibility of Tupac being gay. Black feminists waited till right after Dr. Welsing passed to sh*t on her legacy. The same feminists talked about MLK Jrs infidelity as a reason not to honor him.
As long as the main influencers aren't supporting and the rest of us stay on code and clap back, it can be 'managed'.
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I'd be very interested in seeing receipts from twitter or whatever. If any are found, I'd be also interested in knowing that persons online history. Meaning what type of things the person has been tweeting and re-tweeting.
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I've heard the same rhetoric within the Israelite community as well. I think we're seeing a phenomenon in the black consciousness space where people are being torn between these nationalities or blackness. Seems like people are trying to mend some cognitive dissonance.
One person called him a tether, the others said he was a coward and a grifter/thief.
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Whoever said that is probably at least one of those descriptions themselves...as the saying goes.... Takes one, to know one.
Heard 1 or 2 things on social media, but nothing irl. Capleton tell them what happens to anyone who disses Marcus Garvey.
I'm sorry but FBA does nothing but divide people I'm not talking about Black people or African Americans strictly FBA. They seem like the most bitter group of people imaginable. They want to call people tethers and frauds but all they do is attack other black people it's completely insane. Tariq Nasheed created a hate group.
It won't change either because everyone that claims it defends the ignorance. They don't call out the ignorant within their ranks for anything.
With all due respect, y’all are pretty set in your ways too. There’s no reasoning with you.
If its some of the Black Isrealites saying it, then its not going anywhere. They have been saying all kinds of stuff for years now and I've not seen anything come of it. Kyrie Irving is the best thing that ever happened to them. They are pro Black and have taken a lane I don't drive on but I respect at least they are pro Black in their own way.
If its a few FBAs saying that, it won't go anywhere either. Anyone who co-signs anyone posting negativity about Garvey will get looked at sideways by 95% of everyone in the struggle and I'm lowballing. There are some people's name and legacy you don't mess with and Garvey is that (among a few others) who are 'non FBA' and I feel weird saying that about him. Not because its not accurate but because he transcends labels. It's not like no one knows his backgroud, so why even use it? Garvey, Ali, Dr. Clarke, Malcolm, several others are iconic. There are both non FBA and FBAs in the aforementioned. No one gave a sh*t prior to this term because they rode. So, why make a distinction now?
I'm gonna get very real right now. There are non FBAs who use the 'Akata', 'Jareer' labels on FBAs because they need to feel a sense of power over someone. They know they come from countries that struggle. So, its their once chance to feel powerful. They know being Somali or Nigerian is seen negatively to a lot of people so they can now do that to someone else. The ones in America noticed that they are treated better by white folks who say 'Somalia? Wow, how interesting' and they quickly realize they 'seem' to be seen different to FBAs. The cold part is they feel they are better than other non FBAs and can't stand them. In those twitter and clubhouse spaces, I guarantee you 100% the Jamaicans, Nigerians, Somalis, all of them don't like each other and within their own community practice tribalism, classism, etc. They compare their job as a dental technician to the lowliest FBAs in the hood. And use that as 'these lazy black Americans'.
There are FBAs who got on this movement in large part because they have nothing else going on in their lives. They are struggling perhaps financially, socially. And they are abusing the term non FBAs and applying to anyone of foreign background no matter how supportive they are so they can feel powerful and important. And guess what? They likely have non FBA homies. But they say it on social media that have screen names and avatars to feel powerful in an otherwise powerless life.
Both of these examples are basically people who are losers. Yeah, I said it. Tell me the lie?
If its a few FBAs saying that, it won't go anywhere either. Anyone who co-signs anyone posting negativity about Garvey will get looked at sideways by 95% of everyone in the struggle and I'm lowballing. There are some people's name and legacy you don't mess with and Garvey is that (among a few others) who are 'non FBA' and I feel weird saying that about him. Not because its not accurate but because he transcends labels. It's not like no one knows his backgroud, so why even use it? Garvey, Ali, Dr. Clarke, Malcolm, several others are iconic. There are both non FBA and FBAs in the aforementioned. No one gave a sh*t prior to this term because they rode. So, why make a distinction now?
I'm gonna get very real right now. There are non FBAs who use the 'Akata', 'Jareer' labels on FBAs because they need to feel a sense of power over someone. They know they come from countries that struggle. So, its their once chance to feel powerful. They know being Somali or Nigerian is seen negatively to a lot of people so they can now do that to someone else. The ones in America noticed that they are treated better by white folks who say 'Somalia? Wow, how interesting' and they quickly realize they 'seem' to be seen different to FBAs. The cold part is they feel they are better than other non FBAs and can't stand them. In those twitter and clubhouse spaces, I guarantee you 100% the Jamaicans, Nigerians, Somalis, all of them don't like each other and within their own community practice tribalism, classism, etc. They compare their job as a dental technician to the lowliest FBAs in the hood. And use that as 'these lazy black Americans'.
There are FBAs who got on this movement in large part because they have nothing else going on in their lives. They are struggling perhaps financially, socially. And they are abusing the term non FBAs and applying to anyone of foreign background no matter how supportive they are so they can feel powerful and important. And guess what? They likely have non FBA homies. But they say it on social media that have screen names and avatars to feel powerful in an otherwise powerless life.
Both of these examples are basically people who are losers. Yeah, I said it. Tell me the lie?
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I'm not trying to hate on fba I'm just saying. It just seems so hateful. I'm not a coon or self hater. I'm black American/African American myself and fba just looks like a people tweeting mean stuff that's all I'm saying. I hope my statement wasn't taken out of context.
I'm not trying to disparage fbas as a whole I believe in pan Africanism and just want us to allow get along
I ran into a bunch of tethers (not to be confused with on code brothers and sisters of the diaspora) on Clubhouse and encountered this myself. Nothing but insulting Garvey. It blew my MF mind! I was like “What planet am I on? It might be because Garvey left them to their BS and decided he had to come here where black people were doing something. Then they started trying very aggressively to get my personal information so I left.
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It's not hard just get along it's really simple if you put Black First and ideology 2nd.....if you're not putting Black First you're off code. I'm FBA and I can get along with anyone on the Strength of Being Black everything after that is secondary RESPECT that we fight against the same white supremacy.
That's what I do . I know the racists out there just want to divide us that's why I view some of these online Twitter groups as causing more problems than helping. Just saying.
StayingHumble has a point. Not everyone that is FBA is B1. A lot of the most vocal FBA people at least on Twitter are FBA1st and clash with anyone who is about all Black people working together. #STT used to be FBA and tried to turn B1 in FBA1st and it caused a huge splinter in the groups. STT tried to put Tariq and TBA against each other and Tariq had to come out and disown STT. It's messy.
Yeah I don't do drama many of us don't and FBA isn't a "group" it's a lineage that's where people get it twisted. Secure the Tribe is a group.
Don't make FBA's responsible for the ignorance of a few off code folks who are more interested in Division than Empowerment B💯 ✊🏿
This is wild! Garvey kick-started this whole Black empowerment machine, imo ... Without Garvey, no Malcolm X ... Without Malcolm, no Panthers, etc ..
We owe Garvey for all that ...
Seeing these receipts, I didn't realize so many ppl had so much contempt...
I mean, boule?? He's the father of black empowerment, in my opinion ...
I have more studying to do, but peeps tend to take isolated instances, and judge ... somebody can veer off code, but still have a net on-code benefit to the race ..
He was human, yes. We'll all fall short. I don't see any others (individuals) that made the same impact. Even in my most critical times, Garvey will always be a hero to me.