The Cookout

[MR-D-ROB]

I see so much being discussed in the way of reparations.
I see so much being discussed in the way of entertainment.

Very little is ever talked about as far as success. Tips for success. Information on education. Business ventures.

It's like these things aren't of importance.

Why aren't black people more concerned with making and attaining our own success?

Why are we instead infatuated with the success of entertainers? Why are we instead waiting on the very government responsible for our oppression to fix our problems?

 

[The Honorable]

I see so much being discussed in the way of reparations.
I see so much being discussed in the way of entertainment.

Very little is ever talked about as far as success. Tips for success. Information on education. Business ventures.

It's like these things aren't of importance.

Why aren't black people more concerned with making and attaining our own success?

Why are we instead infatuated with the success of entertainers? Why are we instead waiting on the very government responsible for our oppression to fix our problems?

Because success takes work and a lot of people that are present online only want a check. They are hoping that the reparations fairy comes from the sky and makes everything right in the world for Black people. It's sad and there is a cauldron of entertainers who feed them this delusion for their own gain.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Because success takes work and a lot of people that are present online only want a check. They are hoping that the reparations fairy comes from the sky and makes everything right in the world for Black people. It's sad and there is a cauldron of entertainers who feed them this delusion for their own gain.

I'm constantly obsessed with growth.
If I'm made $600, I'm thinking about how to make $700. If I get a good job I'm looking to see if I can get promoted or get a better one.
If I make an investment that gains income I'm looking for another.

I'm talking to people around me who are just as or more successful for advice. I'm reading books about success. I'm looking at information online about how to improve.

Reparations are something to hope for. It's not the key to success.

Police abuse us because we're pour. They put the most abusive, violent and racist police in poor black neighborhoods. That's not because they hate black people necessarily although that's part of it. It's because we're too poor to file a lawsuit.

Instead we march, pray and picket!


They don't do this in the better neighborhoods. Before I was doing better I lived in a area of town that was predominantly black. I'd get pulled over for every little thing. Sometimes for no reason. The police officers rude and abusive.

I decided I couldn't live like that and begin to make plans to improve my life.

The area of town I live in now police almost never pull you over. Just the other day I literally rolled through a stop sign right in front of a police officer by accident and he didn't even pull me over. When you're in the area of town there's even a slightly bit more affluent, police aren't as quick to harass and bother you. That's because the police in those areas of town aren't the abusive ones. They aren't really going to bother you unless you're doing something pretty bad. Even if they pull you over for a petty traffic infraction, they are going to be nice respectful and conduct themselves in a professional manner.

This is why I say sitting around hoping for a reparations isn't the answer. Actually getting off your butt and taking steps to improve your life so that you don't have to live in these areas is the answer.

 

[ProMoatBlack]

Success takes work and research. It takes years for a plan to come together and you have to be dedicated to see it accomplished. This is why Degrees have some merit. Attaining one requires a long term outlook while dealing with delayed gratification.
A lot of people want the quick and easy fix. It takes work to rule.
I always push for people to work their plan now before the reparations hits. This helps one get ahead of inflation or any other obstacle they throw at us by being able to make major moves and purchases day 1.

 

[ProMoatBlack]

I'm constantly obsessed with growth.
If I'm made $600, I'm thinking about how to make $700. If I get a good job I'm looking to see if I can get promoted or get a better one.
If I make an investment that gains income I'm looking for another.

I'm talking to people around me who are just as or more successful for advice. I'm reading books about success. I'm looking at information online about how to improve.

Reparations are something to hope for. It's not the key to success.

Police abuse us because we're pour. They put the most abusive, violent and racist police in poor black neighborhoods. That's not because they hate black people necessarily although that's part of it. It's because we're too poor to file a lawsuit.

Instead we march, pray and picket!


They don't do this in the better neighborhoods. Before I was doing better I lived in a area of town that was predominantly black. I'd get pulled over for every little thing. Sometimes for no reason. The police officers rude and abusive.

I decided I couldn't live like that and begin to make plans to improve my life.

The area of town I live in now police almost never pull you over. Just the other day I literally rolled through a stop sign right in front of a police officer by accident and he didn't even pull me over. When you're in the area of town there's even a slightly bit more affluent, police aren't as quick to harass and bother you. That's because the police in those areas of town aren't the abusive ones. They aren't really going to bother you unless you're doing something pretty bad. Even if they pull you over for a petty traffic infraction, they are going to be nice respectful and conduct themselves in a professional manner.

This is why I say sitting around hoping for a reparations isn't the answer. Actually getting off your butt and taking steps to improve your life so that you don't have to live in these areas is the answer.

Facts. We all know reparations would help our endeavors but that can't be everything. Have to possess a foundation in serving your people. The money always comes when you find a way to do that.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Facts. We all know reparations would help our endeavors but that can't be everything. Have to possess a foundation in serving your people. The money always comes when you find a way to do that.

If you don't have money and police know that. It's an invitation for them to brutalize you!

If you can file a lawsuit though, they aren't quite as quick to go full blown white terrorist on you.

 

[ProMoatBlack]

Even if they do you have the means to punish them. We need a league of lawyers.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Even if they do you have the means to punish them. We need a league of lawyers.

The ideology that we need our own lawyers etc. is a faulty talking point.

That's coming from a place of that a person is so broke they are depending on an attorney to help them pro-bono.

We just need the money to hire attorneys. An attorney will take your case if you have the money to pay him. Period.

If a police officer wrongs you and you're broke then you're at the mercy of the system.

If you have the means then you take your case to court and put it in front of a jury.

No one else is responsible for getting you justice. You are responsible for having the means to go into a court of law and get it yourself.

That's why success is important. Maybe they don't lock the cop up but you'll get compensated if the jury finds their actions illegal and unjust!

 

[Nesut]

If you don't have money and police know that. It's an invitation for them to brutalize you!

If you can file a lawsuit though, they aren't quite as quick to go full blown white terrorist on you.

When we had the money they still came and punished us. It’s not just money that will save us, it’s an unbreakable will to fight back that will. You can have a million Larry elders all millionaires and the police brutality will persist.

 

[GwynShivers]

If we don't get back to the way we're supposed to be, future generations will be lost & won't survive or prosper. We've already lost 3-5 generations, because they weren't taught the right way. Drugs were dropped off in our communities & it's been nearly impossible to recover, but we've got to do the work.
Not talk the talk, but walk the walk, SHOW & PROVE!

 

[Roparker71]

You asked the question "Why aren't black people more concerned with making and attaining our own success?"... there are 2 answers to that question.

1. Success is a power dynamic and some of us are afraid of attaining success because of the power it will give them.
2. Attaining success requires struggle, some hardship and sacrifice. They want the baby but don't want the pain that comes with having the baby.

 

[Jay]

If a police officer wrongs you and you're broke then you're at the mercy of the system.

If you have the means then you take your case to court and put it in front of a jury.

That’s not all the way true though because what if you go to court and the judicial system sides with the police? You think if the goal is us being at the bottom that they are just going to let us use their system to get them back?

If you ask me the money makes it so that you can build an economy and then inflict economic and physical consequences on those who harm you. The USA does not play fair and they will always change the goal when necessary.

 

[GwynShivers]

You asked the question "Why aren't black people more concerned with making and attaining our own success?"... there are 2 answers to that question.

1. Success is a power dynamic and some of us are afraid of attaining success because of the power it will give them.
2. Attaining success requires struggle, some hardship and sacrifice. They want the baby but don't want the pain that comes with having the baby.

FREEDOM requires the same! Marching, praying & singing AIN'T GONNA GET IT!

 

[Roparker71]

FREEDOM requires the same! Marching, praying & singing AIN'T GONNA GET IT!

No lies told...

 

[MR-D-ROB]

It's definitely the most important mechanism of uplifting ourselves.
If not why all the talk and discussion about reparations.

A community having money makes a difference.

The issue is no one wants to talk about other means of getting it.

It's just reparations. As if that's the only option for success!

 

[Jay]

It's definitely the most important mechanism of uplifting ourselves.
If not why all the talk and discussion about reparations.

A community having money makes a difference.

The issue is no one wants to talk about other means of getting it.

It's just reparations. As if that's the only option for success!

I agree with this. It’s like “so what do you want to do in the interim”? Do you want to collaborate and cooperate? A lot of people will say they are for it but when it comes down to doing the work they make excuses.

 

[GwynShivers]

It's definitely the most important mechanism of uplifting ourselves.
If not why all the talk and discussion about reparations.

A community having money makes a difference.

The issue is no one wants to talk about other means of getting it.

It's just reparations. As if that's the only option for success!

WE'RE AmeriKKKa's largest consumers. Why can't we pool our money together & get what we need done?
We can start here on 6ZEROES. Donate toward our freedom! Start with land, enough to create our self contained city.
The Black people we've screened & deemed needed. Builders, doctors, teachers, our elected city officials, law enforcement, military personnel ( ground & air), computer geniuses ( right here on 6ZEROES), etc.
I was there when Huey P. Newton started this & then he was killed, just like Malcolm X.
I know how it's supposed to be done & IT TAKES ALL OF US TO ACCOMPLISH THIS! I've NO doubt whatsoever that we can, so ARE WE ALL IN? For our freedom as well as future generations! If we don't start now, it'll be too late! We'll be totally wiped out as WS wants! I've got immediate family depending on me & I'm sure you do too! 6ZEROES is my 2nd family & I'll PROTECT ALL MY BLACK FAMILY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY, MIND, BODY & SOUL! ✊🏽🤴🏾👸🏽✊🏽

 

[MR-D-ROB]

If you just look at a lot of the pushback in this thread. It's excuses.
The system is rigged but only to an extent.
People talk about it as though it's absolute.

That's not the case. I won't argue that there aren't problems.

However there are attainable solutions to said problems!

 

[Troy]

If you just look at a lot of the pushback in this thread. It's excuses.
The system is rigged but only to an extent.
People talk about it as though it's absolute.

That's not the case. I won't argue that there aren't problems.

However there are attainable solutions to said problems!

Where was the pushback?

 

[Jay]

If you just look at a lot of the pushback in this thread. It's excuses.
The system is rigged but only to an extent.
People talk about it as though it's absolute.

That's not the case. I won't argue that there aren't problems.

However there are attainable solutions to said problems!

It’s rigged and you have to come at it knowing it’s rigged and be willing to flip over the table. You can’t come at this system as if there is fairness factored into it because there isn’t any. There is one answer to this all and building an economy is going to help us do it very well. But if we are afraid of that answer because of the downside of it then no matter how many of us get six figure jobs or build businesses the status quo will be maintained. Just my $0.02.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I agree with this. It’s like “so what do you want to do in the interim”? Do you want to collaborate and cooperate? A lot of people will say they are for it but when it comes down to doing the work they make excuses.

The way I view it is the generation before us seriously made errors.
They didn't focus on success. They didn't focus on improvement.
A lot of them didn't even teach us to focus on education and take school seriously. And by school and education I don't mean college. I'm talking about a simple high school education. And not just graduating but being good at these fundamentals so you can grow on them.

They didn't teach young men the importance of not chasing girls and focusing on getting a career first.
They didn't teach young girls the importance of not getting pregnant at a young age and attaining a career first.
They didn't teach us about staying away from drugs and keeping your criminal record clean.

They didn't even focus on any of this themselves. So they had nothing to pass on to us.

So our generation was left with what you see today.


Now our generation is sitting around waiting for reparations to be given as a solution to the problem.

What I'm proposing instead is that we don't make the same mistakes that the previous generation made.

We focus on having good careers. We focus on making good money. We focus on buying houses, cars, and anything else that we can pass on to our children that will be of value.

Focus on teaching our children the importance of education and getting a good career. We focus on teaching our children to stay away from drugs and bad styles of life.

I'm not saying the reparations aren't important. Not at all.

I'm simply saying that it isn't the end-all solution to our problem. The solution or a problem is already here. Us!

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I agree with you. The status quo sucks.

However there is little I can do to make anyone want and be hungry for that success.

I can only impart knowledge. People will do with that what they will.

If they are happy being in the status quo what can I do to make them want to be hungry? Not much.

I can just ensure that I'm doing well. Hopefully people see that and that makes them want to come up to.

Hopefully they changes a few peoples view.

Most white people think of a black guy with braids as a thug. You should have seen the reaction of my patients when I cut my hair. They were legitimately upset. They had grown to not see braids that way. They instead saw them as beautiful. They saw past stereotypes.

Simply being in a place to change peoples views like that is valuable.

Most black people don't think about trying to get there. They instead just talk about reparations. They smoke weed. They continue with the status quo and uphold negative stereotypes!

 

[Jay]

The way I view it is the generation before us seriously made errors.
They didn't focus on success. They didn't focus on improvement.
A lot of them didn't even teach us to focus on education and take school seriously. And by school and education I don't mean college. I'm talking about a simple high school education. And not just graduating but being good at these fundamentals so you can grow on them.

They didn't teach young men the importance of not chasing girls and focusing on getting a career first.
They didn't teach young girls the importance of not getting pregnant at a young age and attaining a career first.
They didn't teach us about staying away from drugs and keeping your criminal record clean.

They didn't even focus on any of this themselves. So they had nothing to pass on to us.

So our generation was left with what you see today.


Now our generation is sitting around waiting for reparations to be given as a solution to the problem.

What I'm proposing instead is that we don't make the same mistakes that the previous generation made.

We focus on having good careers. We focus on making good money. We focus on buying houses, cars, and anything else that we can pass on to our children that will be of value.

Focus on teaching our children the importance of education and getting a good career. We focus on teaching our children to stay away from drugs and bad styles of life.

I'm not saying the reparations aren't important. Not at all.

I'm simply saying that it isn't the end-all solution to our problem. The solution or a problem is already here. Us!

I hear you but is it that they didn't focus on success or is that they didn't focus on prioritization of US as a community? Wouldn't you say that they bought into the intersectionality/integration philosophy which was then used to get us away from focusing on ourselves? We started to advocate for anything and everything BUT ourselves and we saw how in the process the "US" disappeared and slipped into the abyss. We don't have to agree I just want to say that. I feel like without a shift in mentality into prioritizing one another all the school, college, good job, etc won't save us. Because we'll just be prepping our kids to go into a world that hates them.

We need to start behaving as a community and see each other as brothers and sisters. We have to think from a perspective of "I'm responsible for my well-being and not White Daddy" ProMoatBlack and Mrs. BLACKRADICAL IMO are setting the example. We need to take the meager resources we DO have and start cooperating with one another. Because a lot of the things you say the previous generations didn't teach us are present in White communities but they have a whole system set up that protects them when they fall. White people have set up a system where they can fail upwards. We in the Black community have nothing like this because we don't own anything.

I think more than "get in a white academic institution and get good grades to get a good job at a white institution" we should be teaching our kids the importance of building our own. Because when you have your own it is harder to take away. If we are trying to thrive in a society that's built for us to fail we will have what we have today, not a got damn thing.

 

[ProMoatBlack]

The ideology that we need our own lawyers etc. is a faulty talking point.

That's coming from a place of that a person is so broke they are depending on an attorney to help them pro-bono.

We just need the money to hire attorneys. An attorney will take your case if you have the money to pay him. Period.

If a police officer wrongs you and you're broke then you're at the mercy of the system.

If you have the means then you take your case to court and put it in front of a jury.

No one else is responsible for getting you justice. You are responsible for having the means to go into a court of law and get it yourself.

That's why success is important. Maybe they don't lock the cop up but you'll get compensated if the jury finds their actions illegal and unjust!

Good representation is expensive. This is one area that can be directly affected by us receiving our reparations. Trust me a lot of us would sue more if we had the means to get a good lawyer. When you have to fight just to survive you wont have money left over to afford every meeting with a good attorney. You have to pay a good lawyer by the hour.

 

[ProMoatBlack]

I hear you but is it that they didn't focus on success or is that they didn't focus on prioritization of US as a community? Wouldn't you say that they bought into the intersectionality/integration philosophy which was then used to get us away from focusing on ourselves? We started to advocate for anything and everything BUT ourselves and we saw how in the process the "US" disappeared and slipped into the abyss. We don't have to agree I just want to say that. I feel like without a shift in mentality into prioritizing one another all the school, college, good job, etc won't save us. Because we'll just be prepping our kids to go into a world that hates them.

We need to start behaving as a community and see each other as brothers and sisters. We have to think from a perspective of "I'm responsible for my well-being and not White Daddy" ProMoatBlack and Mrs. BLACKRADICAL IMO are setting the example. We need to take the meager resources we DO have and start cooperating with one another. Because a lot of the things you say the previous generations didn't teach us are present in White communities but they have a whole system set up that protects them when they fall. White people have set up a system where they can fail upwards. We in the Black community have nothing like this because we don't own anything.

I think more than "get in a white academic institution and get good grades to get a good job at a white institution" we should be teaching our kids the importance of building our own. Because when you have your own it is harder to take away. If we are trying to thrive in a society that's built for us to fail we will have what we have today, not a got damn thing.

Preach. That's the heart of the matter right there.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

[U][I][B]ProMoatBlack[/B][/I][/U] said:​

Good representation is expensive. This is one area that can be directly affected by us receiving our reparations. Trust me a lot of us would sue more if we had the means to get a good lawyer. When you have to fight just to survive you wont have money left over to afford every meeting with a good attorney. You have to pay a good lawyer by the hour.

Yes, That's true. Hiring an attorney does cost money.
On average you'd be looking at around $10k at a minimum to file a lawsuit. Now generally an attorney will take your case once you pay a retainer. The retainer isn't the entire cost. A few thousand will usually pay the retainer fee.

In my case this would just cost time. I talk to my supervisor on job A. Take some paid time off.
I then call my staffer at my staffing agency. I pick up as many high pay shifts as possible in a short period. Within less than 2 weeks I can work enough shifts to come up with around $5k.

The next part is now having good credit. You can borrow the remainder and pay it off over time. Or just repeat the above process and pay it all at once.

See why education and success important. Appropriate resources and strategy will afford you the resources needed to file a lawsuit. Does it require work. Yes

But that seems to be what people don't want to do. Instead, we see excuses. Instead, they march, pray and hope!

 

[Deleted member 1946]

Our people overall are always waiting on a messiah to save us. Whether it is the government, a family member, celebrity, etc. Anybody and everybody other than ourselves. This is evidenced by the fact that far too many of us make too many excuses instead of doing what we can do.

 

[Deleted member 1946]

Because success takes work and a lot of people that are present online only want a check. They are hoping that the reparations fairy comes from the sky and makes everything right in the world for Black people. It's sad and there is a cauldron of entertainers who feed them this delusion for their own gain.

True. The folks who have gotten power in this world did not wait until the success fairy came out of the clouds. They came up with a strategy and executed the plan. They put things into place to guarantee they would get what they wanted and put things into place to keep them.

 

[Deleted member 1946]

I'm constantly obsessed with growth.
If I'm made $600, I'm thinking about how to make $700. If I get a good job I'm looking to see if I can get promoted or get a better one.
If I make an investment that gains income I'm looking for another.

I'm talking to people around me who are just as or more successful for advice. I'm reading books about success. I'm looking at information online about how to improve.

Reparations are something to hope for. It's not the key to success.

Police abuse us because we're pour. They put the most abusive, violent and racist police in poor black neighborhoods. That's not because they hate black people necessarily although that's part of it. It's because we're too poor to file a lawsuit.

Instead we march, pray and picket!


They don't do this in the better neighborhoods. Before I was doing better I lived in a area of town that was predominantly black. I'd get pulled over for every little thing. Sometimes for no reason. The police officers rude and abusive.

I decided I couldn't live like that and begin to make plans to improve my life.

The area of town I live in now police almost never pull you over. Just the other day I literally rolled through a stop sign right in front of a police officer by accident and he didn't even pull me over. When you're in the area of town there's even a slightly bit more affluent, police aren't as quick to harass and bother you. That's because the police in those areas of town aren't the abusive ones. They aren't really going to bother you unless you're doing something pretty bad. Even if they pull you over for a petty traffic infraction, they are going to be nice respectful and conduct themselves in a professional manner.

This is why I say sitting around hoping for a reparations isn't the answer. Actually getting off your butt and taking steps to improve your life so that you don't have to live in these areas is the answer.

Yep. Fully agree. Shhh.... Don't let some of our folks who have a victim mindset read this. I am a big believer in changing my circumstances. People can do this if they do what they are supposed to do which reduces the chances of bad things happening.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

True. The folks who have gotten power in this world did not wait until the success fairy came out of the clouds. They came up with a strategy and executed the plan. They put things into place to guarantee they would get what they wanted and put things into place to keep them.

Absolutely! That's what I am advocating for. I just don't think everyone in the thread gets that. I'm not saying this is easy. I'm saying that it works.

No route to success is easy. If that were the case, then everyone would be successful.

The success and financial well being of an entire community will take work.

I can't count how many people I see that sacrifice having a good job because they can't refrain from doing drugs and smoking weed. That is a failing mentality.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

I hear you but is it that they didn't focus on success or is that they didn't focus on prioritization of US as a community? Wouldn't you say that they bought into the intersectionality/integration philosophy which was then used to get us away from focusing on ourselves? We started to advocate for anything and everything BUT ourselves and we saw how in the process the "US" disappeared and slipped into the abyss. We don't have to agree I just want to say that. I feel like without a shift in mentality into prioritizing one another all the school, college, good job, etc won't save us. Because we'll just be prepping our kids to go into a world that hates them.

We need to start behaving as a community and see each other as brothers and sisters. We have to think from a perspective of "I'm responsible for my well-being and not White Daddy" ProMoatBlack and Mrs. BLACKRADICAL IMO are setting the example. We need to take the meager resources we DO have and start cooperating with one another. Because a lot of the things you say the previous generations didn't teach us are present in White communities but they have a whole system set up that protects them when they fall. White people have set up a system where they can fail upwards. We in the Black community have nothing like this because we don't own anything.

I think more than "get in a white academic institution and get good grades to get a good job at a white institution" we should be teaching our kids the importance of building our own. Because when you have your own it is harder to take away. If we are trying to thrive in a society that's built for us to fail we will have what we have today, not a got damn thing.

Just being honest. This sounds like a lot of "HOPE" jargon to me. It sounds like dismissing hard work and doing what it takes to be successful and promoting being hopeful and coming together talk as if that replaces hard work.

Not saying that we shouldn't have unity. However if all we have is unity and we haven't put in the work, we're just going to be on the bottom together! That's a fact!

 

[Deleted member 1946]

Success takes work and research. It takes years for a plan to come together and you have to be dedicated to see it accomplished. This is why Degrees have some merit. Attaining one requires a long term outlook while dealing with delayed gratification.
A lot of people want the quick and easy fix. It takes work to rule.
I always push for people to work their plan now before the reparations hits. This helps one get ahead of inflation or any other obstacle they throw at us by being able to make major moves and purchases day 1.

Intelligent post. I don't like dealing with folks who are obsessed with instant gratification. These folks cannot be trusted. I love people who have an intelligent plan on how to get somewhere and are willing to wait months or years to reap the BIG rewards. I love this kind of thinking. Instead, many people want BIG rewards now which is not how life works unless somebody won the lottery, won big at the casino, stole it, found it or got an inheritance.

 

[Jay]

Just being honest. This sounds like a lot of "HOPE" jargon to me. It sounds like dismissing hard work and doing what it takes to be successful and promoting being hopeful and coming together talk as if that replaces hard work.

Not saying that we shouldn't have unity. However if all we have is unity and we haven't put in the work, we're just going to be on the bottom together! That's a fact!

How is it hope jargon when what we’re speaking on is the literal embodiment of the philosophy I’m espousing? Every other group does exactly what I’m speaking of. You’re advocating operating as an individual in a world of people acting against us as groups.

Also you’re narrowly defining hard work to try to diminish what I’m saying. To you, hard work is playing the white man’s game and to me that’s the easy work. The hard work is we working as a collective to become INDEPENDENT of the white man’s game.

What’s easier…making a Twitter hashtag, a Facebook group, or 6ZEROS? You’re saying “hey why don’t you just make a Facebook group and build that up and go live a good life” and I’m saying “screw Facebook ima make my own”. You’re saying that being self-sufficient and insular is diminishing hard work but it’s in fact harder than what you’re proposing.

You know why Koreans have such a tight grip on the Black hair care market? It’s not because they all go to school and get good jobs. It’s because they absolutely WILL NOT do business with a Black American and if it’s with a non-Korean it has to go through a Korean for the deal to work. They gate keep their business and we go in there and shop with them because we don’t have a code like they do.

What you’re espousing is noble but you can work hard and then still have to deal with racism in getting hired. The USA is literally bringing in a whole new labor force to replace Black America and you’re saying “hey just go to school and get a good job”.

While there is value in it, it’s becoming an ever increasingly difficult to do. I’m advocating us becoming more resourceful and making our own opportunities that we own and control. Does that mean that we should not get a degree and get a good job? No. But will getting a degree and getting a good job give us an economic base? No. We’ll just have more money to go spend with every other race.

We need a mindstate shift to go with that increase in income or we will always be in the same position. Individualism does not work.

 

[cjg]

Yes GwynShivers , Amerikkkas largest, and they want to keep it that way. It's a continuation of slavery,.. exploit the "slave class" - because they have little resources, don't cooperate economically, no economic discipline (how we are still with the Nike boycott) .. it's all done to maintain the system. There has to be a consumer class to be exploited from which the upper class can make money from..

What do you propose? There are groups continuing the cooperative economics movement, but there aren't nearly enough .. groups such as Freedom Georgia Initiative (the group of families who bought land in GA, presumably to develop a black enclave ... I haven't heard much from them, but I assume they are still kicking) ... I'm part of another collective called the Black Achievement Fund .. 10mill ppl, $10/mo , that's a $billion to fund our own liberation ..2800 ppl doing this worldwide so far, we are working on establishing clubhouses all over the country, as a base (first one is in ATL) ...

I encourage the Fam to check it out and tell me what you think ... ABOUT US | blackachievementfund

Each one can do their part though, and start their own economic initiative in any way they see fit ... If you have something in mind Sis, let us know .. I realize freedom isn't free, like some others here, so , that's where my mind is .. ✊🏾

.. the white man is not going to fund our revolutionary efforts (even with reparations, as a ppl, we need enough discipline and education not to sell our "Bruce Beach" , or seek out a way to turn it into residuals/dividends) ...

They are benefitting from us being consumers, they don't really want it to change (and some have us thinking we are the deficient ones, advocating for our own collective economic vitality) ...

 

[ProMoatBlack]

Yes GwynShivers , Amerikkkas largest, and they want to keep it that way. It's a continuation of slavery,.. exploit the "slave class" - because they have little resources, don't cooperate economically, no economic discipline (how we are still with the Nike boycott) .. it's all done to maintain the system. There has to be a consumer class to be exploited from which the upper class can make money from..

What do you propose? There are groups continuing the cooperative economics movement, but there aren't nearly enough .. groups such as Freedom Georgia Initiative (the group of families who bought land in GA, presumably to develop a black enclave ... I haven't heard much from them, but I assume they are still kicking) ... I'm part of another collective called the Black Achievement Fund .. 10mill ppl, $10/mo , that's a $billion to fund our own liberation ..2800 ppl doing this worldwide so far, we are working on establishing clubhouses all over the country, as a base (first one is in ATL) ...

I encourage the Fam to check it out and tell me what you think ... ABOUT US | blackachievementfund

Each one can do their part though, and start their own economic initiative in any way they see fit ... If you have something in mind Sis, let us know .. I realize freedom isn't free, like some others here, so , that's where my mind is .. ✊🏾

.. the white man is not going to fund our revolutionary efforts (even with reparations, as a ppl, we need enough discipline and education not to sell our "Bruce Beach" , or seek out a way to turn it into residuals/dividends) ...

They are benefitting from us being consumers, they don't really want it to change (and some have us thinking we are the deficient ones, advocating for our own collective economic vitality) ...

Thanks for sharing this brother!!! These arecthe actions we need to take as a people to create our own Freedom. This is amazing.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

The reparations discussion is more about getting money which is owed to us and less about needing it to succeed.

In reality, the only way we would get these people to "cut the check" is to become a successful force as a community prior to getting anything which is the only way for us to have leverage to make them give us a dime.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Yep. Fully agree. Shhh.... Don't let some of our folks who have a victim mindset read this. I am a big believer in changing my circumstances. People can do this if they do what they are supposed to do which reduces the chances of bad things happening.

Exactly. There isn't anything that is 100%. You can take all the right steps and a cop could still shoot you dead in cold blood. However, it is far less likely if you are in a better part of town.

Lots of people will argue with a cop on the street because they don't have the resources to take that argument where it belongs. In a court of law!

Taking steps to improve your self and your situation can prevent a lot of these problems. While it's not 100% effective it is better than living in the ghetto where cops know you have no resources. Chance are if you did you wouldn't be living there. SO because of that you have a big sign on you that says "I am poor. Abuse and brutalize me."

 

[MR-D-ROB]

How is it hope jargon when what we’re speaking on is the literal embodiment of the philosophy I’m espousing? Every other group does exactly what I’m speaking of. You’re advocating operating as an individual in a world of people acting against us as groups.

Also you’re narrowly defining hard work to try to diminish what I’m saying. To you, hard work is playing the white man’s game and to me that’s the easy work. The hard work is we working as a collective to become INDEPENDENT of the white man’s game.

What’s easier…making a Twitter hashtag, a Facebook group, or 6ZEROS? You’re saying “hey why don’t you just make a Facebook group and build that up and go live a good life” and I’m saying “screw Facebook ima make my own”. You’re saying that being self-sufficient and insular is diminishing hard work but it’s in fact harder than what you’re proposing.

You know why Koreans have such a tight grip on the Black hair care market? It’s not because they all go to school and get good jobs. It’s because they absolutely WILL NOT do business with a Black American and if it’s with a non-Korean it has to go through a Korean for the deal to work. They gate keep their business and we go in there and shop with them because we don’t have a code like they do.

What you’re espousing is noble but you can work hard and then still have to deal with racism in getting hired. The USA is literally bringing in a whole new labor force to replace Black America and you’re saying “hey just go to school and get a good job”.

While there is value in it, it’s becoming an ever increasingly difficult to do. I’m advocating us becoming more resourceful and making our own opportunities that we own and control. Does that mean that we should not get a degree and get a good job? No. But will getting a degree and getting a good job give us an economic base? No. We’ll just have more money to go spend with every other race.

We need a mindstate shift to go with that increase in income or we will always be in the same position. Individualism does not work.

It's just blank talking points. Come together. Work collectively. Build the black community.

That all sounds good, but what exactly can be done to make any of that happen.

If you can name anything specific that I could do as an individual I'm all ears!

I know for a fact things I can do individually to improve myself. I'm more than willing to share the knowledge of what I've learned and my experiences to help others.

Is it easy to get into college? Of course not.
Is it easy to get that good career? Not job but career. No

It's it easy to espouse Come together, Work collectively, Build the black community talking points. Even though none of that is occuring. Yes. And that's why people do that. People want to hear stuff that's easy and doesn't require action on their part.

That's why you hear people on YouTube talk about that and not take about how's to get into college. How to attain a career. What type of careers you can get into and make good money. If they did their channel would get 3 views.

 

[Jay]

It's just blank talking points. Come together. Work collectively. Build the black community.

That all sounds good, but what exactly can be done to make any of that happen.

Ok I will start with something very simple. Come together with your Black neighbors and start a neighborhood watch.

The thing you continuously overlook in your effort to push the go to school and get a good job narrative is that everyone we are competing with works as a group.

The Filipinos at your job as nurses work as a group when they compete against us. The Hispanics work as a group, the White people work as a group but you are telling us to work as individuals which is what we have been doing and failing.

So while going to school and getting a good job is extremely important, Black people working together is equally if not more important.

Because if we start thinking as a group then it can become easier to control the spaces we are in. What if we can get all the Black people in one neighborhood to simply not support the Asian or Arab corner store or the Chinese eatery?

What if we can get them to redirect their funds to establishing a corner store that we own? It can happen but it requires the consciousness of the community to evolve beyond “zaddy gonna make a way” to “I will make the way no matter what”.

 

[Nesut]

It's it easy to espouse Come together, Work collectively, Build the black community talking points. Even though none of that is occuring. Yes. And that's why people do that. People want to hear stuff that's easy and doesn't require action on their part.

You do know that 6ZEROS is bringing the Black community together digitally? To then do work together? You’re literally seeing the the happen in front of your face that you say is not happening.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

So because other black people are broke and destitute we all should be broke and destitute together?

 

[MR-D-ROB]

You do know that 6ZEROS is bringing the Black community together digitally? To then do work together? You’re literally seeing the the happen in front of your face that you say is not happening.

And that's wonderful. However there are only a few hundred people on the site. Out of that only a few dozen participate regularly.

As a whole black people are totally separated. That's sad and unfortunate but it's true.

What I'm saying is don't sit around waiting for black people to magically wake up.
Don't sit around waiting for reparations.

Get out there and put in the effort to be successful. If the majority of us are successful then eventually enough of us will be successful that we can start coming together for goals!

 

[cjg]

And that's wonderful. However there are only a few hundred people on the site. Out of that only a few dozen participate regularly.

As a whole black people are totally separated. That's sad and unfortunate but it's true.

What I'm saying is don't sit around waiting for black people to magically wake up.
Don't sit around waiting for reparations.

Get out there and put in the effort to be successful. If the majority of us are successful then eventually enough of us will be successful that we can start coming together for goals!

I wouldn't discount any gains made .. "Succesful" can mean many things. Success to me, is accomplishing a step, building infrastructure to even be able to change mindsets and communicate with a unified voice, success is putting together campaigns to fund/support HBCU students in their journey to become financially succesful ... All these pieces to a broader puzzle Bro ,... everyone make their dent wherever they are, no matter how small or big, that's how we all become successful.

It only takes a few for change, but we gotta start somewhere (and restart, and restart - since it seems like we get derailed frequently by WI, sidebars, etc)

The smaller goals, multiplied many times over through nationwide patches of activity - those are indeed, actions accomplished while not "waiting around for reparations"

Not everybody wants to build. Not unlike other movements. Harriet had to leave some folks behind. I agree, a large mindshift is needed, and what we need to implement will take successful organization of financial resources. And yes, we need to multiply those resources. We shouldn't sit around and wait for anything, including an event such as one's version of success.

 

[Nesut]

And that's wonderful. However there are only a few hundred people on the site. Out of that only a few dozen participate regularly.

As a whole black people are totally separated. That's sad and unfortunate but it's true.

What I'm saying is don't sit around waiting for black people to magically wake up.
Don't sit around waiting for reparations.

Get out there and put in the effort to be successful. If the majority of us are successful then eventually enough of us will be successful that we can start coming together for goals!

Well the thing is that it is growing and sooner or later there will be hundreds of thousands on the site and we will be able to connect and work together.

 

[The Honorable]

So because other black people are broke and destitute we all should be broke and destitute together?

Why do you associate Black people being independent of the system with being broke and destitute? It appears as if you place a high value on integrating into White society when the past 70 years have shown us how much of a farce it is.

Now I preach education in my family and I also preach getting skills that make you attractive in the corporate world. BUT when I see a leader characteristics I preach “build your own and do not let anything stop you”. We need our strong leaders to build for us and not for the dominant society that’s killing us off.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Why do you associate Black people being independent of the system with being broke and destitute? It appears as if you place a high value on integrating into White society when the past 70 years have shown us how much of a farce it is.

Now I preach education in my family and I also preach getting skills that make you attractive in the corporate world. BUT when I see a leader characteristics I preach “build your own and do not let anything stop you”. We need our strong leaders to build for us and not for the dominant society that’s killing us off.

I don't associate being independent of the system with being broke and destitute. That is because I don't believe that at current there is a way to be independent of the system.
There is no specifically black infrastructure or community. There is no specific, white, Asian, or Hispanic community. We all exist together. Anything that you are trying to do will to some extent have to exist within the system of white supremacy.

But any system has weakness and flaws. If white supremacy were a perfect system we would still be slaves, but because it has flaws we're not. What I believe is finding the flaws and weaknesses and utilizing them to your advantage. Taking the system that currently exists and doing the best you can within it.

If enough black people do that we will begin to change the system. Now understand that if white supremacy sees black people succeeding they are going to try to stop us. They will make changes to hold us back. We have to then keep finding more weaknesses and exploiting them.

White supremacy exists. A completely independent black community doesn't exist. I am saying take away from the system of white supremacy to build that black community that everyone talks about. I don't want to just talk about it. I am saying get out here and do things to make it a reality.

As long as the system exists as it does, we have 2 choices. Work within it and try to change and destroy it from within or leave the country!

 

[The Honorable]

don't want to just talk about it. I am saying get out here and do things to make it a reality.

Do you or do you not want Black independence because it sounds as if you're taking two separate positions. When people stated we need separation you stated "no, we need good jobs and an education".

 

[Deleted member 1946]

Do you or do you not want Black independence because it sounds as if you're taking two separate positions. When people stated we need separation you stated "no, we need good jobs and an education".

I love the idea of Black independence. We cannot be reliant on others because they would have the power and not us. I love seeing more of our people manufacturing or food producing.

 

[Deleted member 1946]

I don't associate being independent of the system with being broke and destitute. That is because I don't believe that at current there is a way to be independent of the system.
There is no specifically black infrastructure or community. There is no specific, white, Asian, or Hispanic community. We all exist together. Anything that you are trying to do will to some extent have to exist within the system of white supremacy.

But any system has weakness and flaws. If white supremacy were a perfect system we would still be slaves, but because it has flaws we're not. What I believe is finding the flaws and weaknesses and utilizing them to your advantage. Taking the system that currently exists and doing the best you can within it.

If enough black people do that we will begin to change the system. Now understand that if white supremacy sees black people succeeding they are going to try to stop us. They will make changes to hold us back. We have to then keep finding more weaknesses and exploiting them.

White supremacy exists. A completely independent black community doesn't exist. I am saying take away from the system of white supremacy to build that black community that everyone talks about. I don't want to just talk about it. I am saying get out here and do things to make it a reality.

As long as the system exists as it does, we have 2 choices. Work within it and try to change and destroy it from within or leave the country!

I am not sure this idea will work. We need to be as independent as possible of this wicked system. We need to put multiple protective mechanisms into place to protect ourselves. Dr. Claud Anderson would absolutely correct. We did the best overall when we had our own stuff. We just did not protect it.

 

[Deleted member 1946]

Well the thing is that it is growing and sooner or later there will be hundreds of thousands on the site and we will be able to connect and work together.

The site is definitely growing. So is the engagement.