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    A hard truth is that between 87% to 92% of black people are lost. They have brought into the talking points of major media like CNN and MSNBC. They don't realize people like Roland Martin and Tiffany Cross are shills for the Democratic party.

    In their mind the Republicans are racist and that's all the reason they need to vote for the Democratic party. They don't need to ask for anything.

    Those of us who do ask for anything are in the way. If we speak anything negative against the Democratic party then we're misinformed, don't understand or we must be Republicans and can't be trusted.

    The overwhelming majority of black people think this way. Even amongst those that consider themselves pro black you have people that are lost and don't realize it. Just look on this website and you'll find a few.

    We're generations away from any real progress. After the 2028 election possibly before we're going to be a small enough part of the voting population that black people won't matter politically.

    We have been insulted, belittled, ignored and held back by both Republicans and especially Democrats even our vote mattered. Once our vote doesn't matter what do you think is going to happen?

    The way I see it is the Democratic party are pushing for more immigration to replace and dilute our vote. Black people are politically an unwanted problem for Democrats. They need our vote right now to win. However if they go to pro black and help us they'll lose the casual racists.

    Unfortunately they need those votes too. So it's a fine line. The casual racists don't want to think that they are racist. They are okay with racism just not blatantly out in the open spoken out loud.

    These are you liberal and Democrat racists. Democrats can't get them and openly speak up for black people too.

    The way around this is to just bring in enough immigrants and persuade other groups like LGBTQ to vote for them. Once there is enough of them the black vote is inconsequential.

    The only way the black vote would be consequential then is if we as a whole and monolithically switch sides and vote Republican making it impossible for Democrats to win.

    At that point they would have to try to win us back. Of course that is very unlikely to happen because black people are pre-programed to vote Democrat no matter what.

    Right now we have two parties that hate us. One says so openly. One doesn't. They just have policies and actions that indicates they do.

    So the way I see it is as of about 2030 black people will have two parties that hate us and both will be openly saying so. The Democrats will be a bit less outspoken but they will make it clear they aren't going to help us.

    Policies will be passed setting us back. You'll see anti black laws. You'll see mass incarceration at a rate never before seen. What little gain we have gotten will be set back.

    Black people are going to be openly hated, attacked and even pushed out of the workplace! There will be curfew laws for us. Police will kill us at a much higher rate.

    Politicians won't speak out because they won't have to. They won't need our vote so they'll just ignore it! Protestors will just be arrested and imprisoned.

    It's going to be as bad if not worse than apartheid.

    And because of where we are there is nothing that can be done to stop it. We won't get reparations.
    We aren't even going to get hate crime legislation or police reform.

    What we are going to get is anti black hate on a level last saw prior to 1960!
     

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    A hard truth is that between 87% to 92% of black people are lost. They have brought into the talking points of major media like CNN and MSNBC. They don't realize people like Roland Martin and Tiffany Cross are shills for the Democratic party.

    In their mind the Republicans are racist and that's all the reason they need to vote for the Democratic party. They don't need to ask for anything.

    Those of us who do ask for anything are in the way. If we speak anything negative against the Democratic party then we're misinformed, don't understand or we must be Republicans and can't be trusted.

    The overwhelming majority of black people think this way. Even amongst those that consider themselves pro black you have people that are lost and don't realize it. Just look on this website and you'll find a few.

    We're generations away from any real progress. After the 2028 election possibly before we're going to be a small enough part of the voting population that black people won't matter politically.

    We have been insulted, belittled, ignored and held back by both Republicans and especially Democrats even our vote mattered. Once our vote doesn't matter what do you think is going to happen?

    The way I see it is the Democratic party are pushing for more immigration to replace and dilute our vote. Black people are politically an unwanted problem for Democrats. They need our vote right now to win. However if they go to pro black and help us they'll lose the casual racists.

    Unfortunately they need those votes too. So it's a fine line. The casual racists don't want to think that they are racist. They are okay with racism just not blatantly out in the open spoken out loud.

    These are you liberal and Democrat racists. Democrats can't get them and openly speak up for black people too.

    The way around this is to just bring in enough immigrants and persuade other groups like LGBTQ to vote for them. Once there is enough of them the black vote is inconsequential.

    The only way the black vote would be consequential then is if we as a whole and monolithically switch sides and vote Republican making it impossible for Democrats to win.

    At that point they would have to try to win us back. Of course that is very unlikely to happen because black people are pre-programed to vote Democrat no matter what.

    Right now we have two parties that hate us. One says so openly. One doesn't. They just have policies and actions that indicates they do.

    So the way I see it is as of about 2030 black people will have two parties that hate us and both will be openly saying so. The Democrats will be a bit less outspoken but they will make it clear they aren't going to help us.

    Policies will be passed setting us back. You'll see anti black laws. You'll see mass incarceration at a rate never before seen. What little gain we have gotten will be set back.

    Black people are going to be openly hated, attacked and even pushed out of the workplace! There will be curfew laws for us. Police will kill us at a much higher rate.

    Politicians won't speak out because they won't have to. They won't need our vote so they'll just ignore it! Protestors will just be arrested and imprisoned.

    It's going to be as bad if not worse than apartheid.

    And because of where we are there is nothing that can be done to stop it. We won't get reparations.
    We aren't even going to get hate crime legislation or police reform.

    What we are going to get is anti black hate on a level last saw prior to 1960!
    I'm with you. We have to think for ourselves. It's always been a choice between two evils for most of those people ...

    I'm not sure about the future .. but it's not looking too good :) but I'm hopeful we can gain critical mass (or find a leverage point, which I guess, is the vote rn) ... Immigrants are turning out to be competition .. things are not setup for us to get out of the situation, so eventually,... We are going to be out, unless we figure out something..

    Asians, not the biggest voters, but they focus on economics.. And it all falls in line for them ...
     

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    I'm with you. We have to think for ourselves. It's always been a choice between two evils for most of those people ...

    I'm not sure about the future .. but it's not looking too good :) but I'm hopeful we can gain critical mass (or find a leverage point, which I guess, is the vote rn) ... Immigrants are turning out to be competition .. things are not setup for us to get out of the situation, so eventually,... We are going to be out, unless we figure out something..

    Asians, not the biggest voters, but they focus on economics.. And it all falls in line for them ...
    I've lost hope honestly.
    It would require at least 60% of black people to wake up within the next 6 years.
    Lots of the old civil rights people are dying out
    But they have indoctrinated their children in the same ways
    After 2030 it will be too late

    I’m just trying to get mine before that

    And other than that my view is honestly f these coons
    They have hard times coming and they probably deserve it if they aren’t prepping
     

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    Statistically, in most groups and in a movement, if you can get 10% of the men to buy into something you can get the whole group. Generally, societies are male run/male dominant. No shade to sisters, but I'm speaking historically and presently.

    A paradigm shift its sometimes called. It can be as low as 5% but generally speaking if you can get 10% of men to change their view, you can get the whole group.

    While its not discussed at all, very, very few blacks in the south wanted to challenge white supremacy openly like MLK and the NACCAP did at first. In fact, Montgomery blacks were telling MLK Jr to leave because lynching was still going and they said after you leave, we are the ones that have to deal with the blowback. Black ministers in Montgomery pushed it as they were part of the NAACP and the boycott worked only because they reached a certain percentage of blacks that bought into it. If you weren't involved in the boycott you were socially out. Everyone lived in the same neighborhoods, kids went to the same school, went to the same churches. You didn't go along, you were out socially.

    Same thing happened with the Black Panthers in Oakland in the mid to late 60s. The sisters joined the movement in droves because they loved seeing black men fight for them and their community unashamedly and were strong in doing so. Brothers joined just be seen as with them even if it wasn't serious.

    Similarly with the Nation of Islam. In the 50s and 60s Islam became the fastest growing religion in America. All because of the NOI. Sisters flocked to it because they got a man who was not gonna cheat, lie, and he would be on his grind. The NOI takes care of its own. That was very, very appealing to them. Being conservative and wearing conservative clothes was not much of a price to pay for sisters who wanted a good man.

    Lastly the George Floyd/BLM marches. If you weren't supporting it in some form or another and worse if you spoke out against it, you looked like a sell out and were a pariah. Brothers were on board. The Dem party needs black men but tried to the divide and conquer tactic and it failed miserably. Sisters are joining the not voting unless there are benefits movement because they are seeing black men fighting for the community of which they are a part of. Its' very appealing.

    If we get 10% of black men really riding for this, it can change. Why? Because sisters will automatically gravitate and support strong black men fighting for them and their community. The Pookies and Ray Rays and the neutral, go along, get alongs will join so they are not excluded because sisters will be talking about the men who are down. 10% may seem low but if you think about it is very significant. If you pass by 100 brothers a day and 10 are about the business, its very obvious. Sisters can see a down brother as well, in a black area you around hundreds of people, so that is 20 or 30 black men you see who are about it.

    Sisters start looking only to be with and be around those men. They are likely to be in the more successful relationships as they see black love as important.

    We can see it now its happening. The numbers of Blacks getting involved in the talk of lineage, etc, is growing fast. It's appealing. There is a counter, crime with young folks is up a lot and at some point both sides wil face each other.
     

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    Statistically, in most groups and in a movement, if you can get 10% of the men to buy into something you can get the whole group. Generally, societies are male run/male dominant. No shade to sisters, but I'm speaking historically and presently.

    A paradigm shift its sometimes called. It can be as low as 5% but generally speaking if you can get 10% of men to change their view, you can get the whole group.

    While its not discussed at all, very, very few blacks in the south wanted to challenge white supremacy openly like MLK and the NACCAP did at first. In fact, Montgomery blacks were telling MLK Jr to leave because lynching was still going and they said after you leave, we are the ones that have to deal with the blowback. Black ministers in Montgomery pushed it as they were part of the NAACP and the boycott worked only because they reached a certain percentage of blacks that bought into it. If you weren't involved in the boycott you were socially out. Everyone lived in the same neighborhoods, kids went to the same school, went to the same churches. You didn't go along, you were out socially.

    Same thing happened with the Black Panthers in Oakland in the mid to late 60s. The sisters joined the movement in droves because they loved seeing black men fight for them and their community unashamedly and were strong in doing so. Brothers joined just be seen as with them even if it wasn't serious.

    Similarly with the Nation of Islam. In the 50s and 60s Islam became the fastest growing religion in America. All because of the NOI. Sisters flocked to it because they got a man who was not gonna cheat, lie, and he would be on his grind. The NOI takes care of its own. That was very, very appealing to them. Being conservative and wearing conservative clothes was not much of a price to pay for sisters who wanted a good man.

    Lastly the George Floyd/BLM marches. If you weren't supporting it in some form or another and worse if you spoke out against it, you looked like a sell out and were a pariah. Brothers were on board. The Dem party needs black men but tried to the divide and conquer tactic and it failed miserably. Sisters are joining the not voting unless there are benefits movement because they are seeing black men fighting for the community of which they are a part of. Its' very appealing.

    If we get 10% of black men really riding for this, it can change. Why? Because sisters will automatically gravitate and support strong black men fighting for them and their community. The Pookies and Ray Rays and the neutral, go along, get alongs will join so they are not excluded because sisters will be talking about the men who are down. 10% may seem low but if you think about it is very significant. If you pass by 100 brothers a day and 10 are about the business, its very obvious. Sisters can see a down brother as well, in a black area you around hundreds of people, so that is 20 or 30 black men you see who are about it.

    Sisters start looking only to be with and be around those men. They are likely to be in the more successful relationships as they see black love as important.

    We can see it now its happening. The numbers of Blacks getting involved in the talk of lineage, etc, is growing fast. It's appealing. There is a counter, crime with young folks is up a lot and at some point both sides wil face each other.
    I agree. I can’t stand a cowardly man. My father was the James Evans type so I needed/preferred dating strong, pro-Black men. There are plenty of brothers I've talked into not voting or insisting on reparations. There is power in numbers and Black folks are gonna have to understand they are the only thing stopping them from getting what they need.

    If Black folks ain't happy and good, ain't nobody in America finna be happy or good. We keep this funky-ass economy afloat with our labor and our fear. I know they will burn the nation down before they pay us, so let'em. I'm still not voting unless they pay us what they owe us. I'm glad Democrats came out and said they don't support reparations. Imma use every platform I have to make they don't get Black votes.
     

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    I agree. I can’t stand a cowardly man. My father was the James Evans type so I needed/preferred dating strong, pro-Black men. There are plenty of brothers I've talked into not voting or insisting on reparations. There is power in numbers and Black folks are gonna have to understand they are the only thing stopping them from getting what they need.

    If Black folks ain't happy and good, ain't nobody in America finna be happy or good. We keep this funky-ass economy afloat with our labor and our fear. I know they will burn the nation down before they pay us, so let'em. I'm still not voting unless they pay us what they owe us. I'm glad Democrats came out and said they don't support reparations. Imma use every platform I have to make they don't get Black votes.
    Brother Malcolm said it best if we have to be uncomfortable, then no one is going to be comfortable.
     

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    Statistically, in most groups and in a movement, if you can get 10% of the men to buy into something you can get the whole group. Generally, societies are male run/male dominant. No shade to sisters, but I'm speaking historically and presently.

    A paradigm shift its sometimes called. It can be as low as 5% but generally speaking if you can get 10% of men to change their view, you can get the whole group.

    While its not discussed at all, very, very few blacks in the south wanted to challenge white supremacy openly like MLK and the NACCAP did at first. In fact, Montgomery blacks were telling MLK Jr to leave because lynching was still going and they said after you leave, we are the ones that have to deal with the blowback. Black ministers in Montgomery pushed it as they were part of the NAACP and the boycott worked only because they reached a certain percentage of blacks that bought into it. If you weren't involved in the boycott you were socially out. Everyone lived in the same neighborhoods, kids went to the same school, went to the same churches. You didn't go along, you were out socially.

    Same thing happened with the Black Panthers in Oakland in the mid to late 60s. The sisters joined the movement in droves because they loved seeing black men fight for them and their community unashamedly and were strong in doing so. Brothers joined just be seen as with them even if it wasn't serious.

    Similarly with the Nation of Islam. In the 50s and 60s Islam became the fastest growing religion in America. All because of the NOI. Sisters flocked to it because they got a man who was not gonna cheat, lie, and he would be on his grind. The NOI takes care of its own. That was very, very appealing to them. Being conservative and wearing conservative clothes was not much of a price to pay for sisters who wanted a good man.

    Lastly the George Floyd/BLM marches. If you weren't supporting it in some form or another and worse if you spoke out against it, you looked like a sell out and were a pariah. Brothers were on board. The Dem party needs black men but tried to the divide and conquer tactic and it failed miserably. Sisters are joining the not voting unless there are benefits movement because they are seeing black men fighting for the community of which they are a part of. Its' very appealing.

    If we get 10% of black men really riding for this, it can change. Why? Because sisters will automatically gravitate and support strong black men fighting for them and their community. The Pookies and Ray Rays and the neutral, go along, get alongs will join so they are not excluded because sisters will be talking about the men who are down. 10% may seem low but if you think about it is very significant. If you pass by 100 brothers a day and 10 are about the business, its very obvious. Sisters can see a down brother as well, in a black area you around hundreds of people, so that is 20 or 30 black men you see who are about it.

    Sisters start looking only to be with and be around those men. They are likely to be in the more successful relationships as they see black love as important.

    We can see it now its happening. The numbers of Blacks getting involved in the talk of lineage, etc, is growing fast. It's appealing. There is a counter, crime with young folks is up a lot and at some point both sides wil face each other.
    America has pushed feminism to a point where that isn't the case especially in the black community.

    Sisters aren't joining the not voting unless there are tangibles. Most black men aren't even joining it.

    Black women vote at a percentage of 90% with very high turn out. Black men have a lower turn out but still vote at 80% to 85%.

    Even if we get 20% of black men backing it strongly the Dems will make us out to be outcasts and shame us. The women aren't going to go with us. They are going to go with the Dems.

    Just look at Princess El-Bey comments against me for speaking I'll against the Democratic party. That's just one example but that's the general consensus of black women.

    Women were putting men out of the house and breaking up if they found men voted for Republicans.

    One woman even pretended to put her 6 year old son out for voting for Trump in a mock election at school.
    He was screaming crying. All over a mock election because he made a choice!

    Instead of talking to him about why he made that choice and disputing it she terrorized him. Why?
    Because she probably didn't even understand why to vote one way or another. She just knows she has been told to vote Democrats and that anybody voting Republican is bad.
     

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    I agree. I can’t stand a cowardly man. My father was the James Evans type so I needed/preferred dating strong, pro-Black men. There are plenty of brothers I've talked into not voting or insisting on reparations. There is power in numbers and Black folks are gonna have to understand they are the only thing stopping them from getting what they need.

    If Black folks ain't happy and good, ain't nobody in America finna be happy or good. We keep this funky-ass economy afloat with our labor and our fear. I know they will burn the nation down before they pay us, so let'em. I'm still not voting unless they pay us what they owe us. I'm glad Democrats came out and said they don't support reparations. Imma use every platform I have to make they don't get Black votes.
    You're speaking very intelligently. What you said here is exactly what I'm pushing for.

    A lot of people don't f*ck with my message. My message can come across as fiery at times, but that's because I'm passionate about it.

    I want black people to do better.

    My message is simple. 2 things

    1. Stop cooning for the Democratic party.
    2. No reparations and/or true black agenda then no vote.
     

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    Statistically, in most groups and in a movement, if you can get 10% of the men to buy into something you can get the whole group. Generally, societies are male run/male dominant. No shade to sisters, but I'm speaking historically and presently.

    A paradigm shift its sometimes called. It can be as low as 5% but generally speaking if you can get 10% of men to change their view, you can get the whole group.

    While its not discussed at all, very, very few blacks in the south wanted to challenge white supremacy openly like MLK and the NACCAP did at first. In fact, Montgomery blacks were telling MLK Jr to leave because lynching was still going and they said after you leave, we are the ones that have to deal with the blowback. Black ministers in Montgomery pushed it as they were part of the NAACP and the boycott worked only because they reached a certain percentage of blacks that bought into it. If you weren't involved in the boycott you were socially out. Everyone lived in the same neighborhoods, kids went to the same school, went to the same churches. You didn't go along, you were out socially.

    Same thing happened with the Black Panthers in Oakland in the mid to late 60s. The sisters joined the movement in droves because they loved seeing black men fight for them and their community unashamedly and were strong in doing so. Brothers joined just be seen as with them even if it wasn't serious.

    Similarly with the Nation of Islam. In the 50s and 60s Islam became the fastest growing religion in America. All because of the NOI. Sisters flocked to it because they got a man who was not gonna cheat, lie, and he would be on his grind. The NOI takes care of its own. That was very, very appealing to them. Being conservative and wearing conservative clothes was not much of a price to pay for sisters who wanted a good man.

    Lastly the George Floyd/BLM marches. If you weren't supporting it in some form or another and worse if you spoke out against it, you looked like a sell out and were a pariah. Brothers were on board. The Dem party needs black men but tried to the divide and conquer tactic and it failed miserably. Sisters are joining the not voting unless there are benefits movement because they are seeing black men fighting for the community of which they are a part of. Its' very appealing.

    If we get 10% of black men really riding for this, it can change. Why? Because sisters will automatically gravitate and support strong black men fighting for them and their community. The Pookies and Ray Rays and the neutral, go along, get alongs will join so they are not excluded because sisters will be talking about the men who are down. 10% may seem low but if you think about it is very significant. If you pass by 100 brothers a day and 10 are about the business, its very obvious. Sisters can see a down brother as well, in a black area you around hundreds of people, so that is 20 or 30 black men you see who are about it.

    Sisters start looking only to be with and be around those men. They are likely to be in the more successful relationships as they see black love as important.

    We can see it now its happening. The numbers of Blacks getting involved in the talk of lineage, etc, is growing fast. It's appealing. There is a counter, crime with young folks is up a lot and at some point both sides wil face each other.
    I appreciate the scholarly view. The number is attainable? Hope so :)