Bruh Man
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Flame Monroe gets it if you’re B1 it means your allegiance is to the betterment of your race first. If you’re Black and homosexual you are included in B1.
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I get it. As I'm sure you can understand it gets murky if black people openly attack black LGBT who don't openly attack black people. It's hard to decipher, it's not that we don't like you because you are you but rather we do not like white people making you so visible to us. And we call it the gay agenda. You are gay but we're not talking about you specifically, just the fact that we can see you but that's not really apparent and can really be misconstrued. It's just messy, all for an agenda we don't know is actually achieving its expressed goal.
It's confusing and maybe that is the actual goal, but we are really just confusing ourselves, aren't we? While they don't have to do anything. Seems like to me, we could just ignore it and there would be no confusion. It appears to be a war tactic that needs the participation of both sides (Straight and LGBT) to work and if one side does not participate, it doesn't work.
Bruh Man
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It’s only confusing if you’re trying to straddle the fence.
- If you gay but B1 then you will see life as a Black person first and you will see White supremacy attacking your community using multiple methods, one being sexual confusion.
- If you’re Black but LGBT first then you will be confused because when Black people point to the gay agenda you feel like they are pointing at you because you are LGBT first.
I can see that, yes.
But taking human psychology into consideration, I can even speak from personal experience, growing up black and LGBT, there is no camaraderie between straight Blacks and LGBT Blacks. In your formative years, you're just trying to dodge attacks from your straight black peers because you are different. White supremacy might be existing on a macro level, but it's a black dude spitting in your face on your level.
Of course, it would be the same if you grew up around whites so likewise if you grew up around Blacks, you would only see black people attacking you. This is before you even develop the awareness of white supremacy. You don't have the capacity to even think about it. That leaves an impression on people, it can't not.
I fell into depression in my tweens off the catalyst of straight black people. I did not know many whites but the ones I did know were nicer to me than my black peers. I was depressed for 2 decades and fundamentally believed black people HATED me. I didn't even know white supremacy existed until my late twenties, early thirties because I had already trapped myself, believing what black tweens told me about myself decades ago.
What you say makes sense, but real life experience is not that simple. I know straight people understand growing up different, but not LGBT different. You've never had to worry about defending your humanity to white people AND black people.. It's a different world, a different headspace that colors all of reality from a very young age for many.
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Blackness is Coming
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Are you suggesting that we stay where we are or become the oppressor? Well if that's what you mean, then yes we should become the oppressor. 😆
But what I mean is, we need to assume and hold power for ourselves. We do not need to oppress anyone to do that. We need to uplift one another.
Peace is nice, but we have to put in a lot of work before we get to that. If you just want peace, you can put your head in the sand and pretend that this isn't happening. I want the outright freedom to do for myself.
Abused people react differently to things. Some people get into another abusive relationship, and others decide to never be abused again. This is why we need men to be men. We can't function being led by a bunch of oppressed abused women. Women seek safety. What is it that men seek?
Blackness is Coming
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We are already repeating their self destructive behavior, no?
You say they can't give equality, then you say that's the only way to peace. So what is your opinion as far as what we need to do? What is your goal for us?
And why do you feel that we will repeat anything that they do? We are able to think and act for ourselves, right?
Blackness is Coming
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I see what you are saying. But who cares how it looks to others? Honestly, what does it matter? We need to have a position, and stand by it.
My opinion is that we should ignore those who participate it. We can discuss then in areas like this, but we need to isolate them and leave them to their fan base of white supremacy. We do not need to try and convert them, not at all. You cut them off. You do not identify them as black. Leave them to their oppressors, and unfortunately, even when a few come to their senses, you do not allow them back in. There are consequences to playing on that side of town. Ignore them. The only reason they are relevant is because we give them attention. We need to practice exclusion, not inclusion.
Blackness is Coming
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Blackness is Coming
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B1 doesn't need to know whether you're gay or not. We need to know if you're black. If you're showing up as gay, then there's a problem. We are not separating B1 people from LGBT. They need to separate themselves if they want to step with us. LGBT is an illusion. Your sexually is a personal individual reality, not a group mission. To align yourself with white lesbians because you are a black guy that likes men who dress like women is silly.
When you're done fighting white supremacy, you can leave the battlefield and go find a man in a dress in the privacy of your own circumstances. B1 is not going on the battlefield to find you a lover for you to explore your feelings with. If that's what someone wants, then ask white supremacy to do that for you. And I bet 1M that they put you right on the front line against us. And that's exactly what we're seeing now. Black LGBT being used as front men to fight B1.
The oppressor suffers with the oppressed. We just do not recognize theirs because we are rightfully, focusing on ours.
I don't think freedom is possible without peace. Are you free when you are perpetually forced to fight?
Yes and that's the problem. How we start our own nation will set the precedent for its entire existence so beginning with inequality inevitably means the nation's self-destructs like theirs is.
They can't produce equality because their culture has distorted reality such that they don't even know what it looks like. We must extract equity from them in a way (Reparations) that makes them powerless over us.
Humans are humans. We are probably in our predicament because of the Moors in Europe (not making excuses, but pointing out a pattern). Look at how the Jews went from oppressed to oppressor so easily and they don't even realize they did it. It's not a commentary on specific people, is just the pattern. If we are not conscious of how we do things, we just perpetuate the pattern so after we become the oppressor, our descendants will be oppressed.
Of course not, but "don't ask, don't tell" isn't foolproof.
How could something like get even happen? Why are they even able to separate us like that? What are we doing to give them that opening?
I can't listen to "Shorty wanna ride" anymore. It's like my kool aid turn to bitter beet juice.
Bruh I skip every Young Buck verse now. I don’t even care that he’s gay, it’s just that he’s a dumb druggie that lied about it.
Blackness is Coming
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They do not suffer with us, but at all. They cause they're own suffering, and we shouldn't care.
Freedom is not peace. You have to gain freedom before you can talk about peace. I want peace for B1, not for everyone. That's not my mission.
We are not oppressing anyone. I don't get what you mean. We are not like them in that regard. Why are you thinking about oppressing them before we can even get from under their oppression. That shouldn't be a concern at this time. And black people aren't oppressing anyone. Our problem is that we will probably crawl back under their oppression.
Reparations sounds nice, but we can't get that from people before we begin to do for ourselves. And you don't necessarily want to strike a deal with the devil. All money isn't good money. And that won't make us equal. Equality is not my mission. I'm not on a path of equality. I want power. And we don't need then to get it. A nation is in the minds and hearts of the people, it's not a land mass.
The Jewish absolutely know that they are the oppressor. Why do you think they don't know that? Those are white supremacist Jews. They are not Hebrews or Semitic.
Don't ask don't tell has nothing to do with it. What I'm saying is that you need to be black 1st. The way you dress is your business. We need to stop identifying people based on the way they dress and identify whether they are black are not. It doesn't matter if we can talk that you're gay. It matters that we can tell that you're B1.
They're able to separate us because we're not on code. For instance, you're concerned about becoming the oppressor rather than escaping oppression. Doing for ourselves naturally mean that we aren't oppressing anyone. We don't have an oppressive nature as a group. If we did, we'd be oppressing.
Blackness is Coming
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It's alright. There is a lot of negative stuff out here and it's best to check in with one another to make sure we're on the same page. I'm a woman BTW.
Blackness is Coming
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Blackness is Coming
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Blackness is Coming
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Black people bully other black people. That happens. Gay people get bullied, most people are bullied to some extend.
White people are kind to you because you don't represent them, and they want to undermine black people and fulfill your desire to be liked. That's a part of white supremacy. They have you feeling like they are nicer than black people, black people who are fighting for your right to live and be free. They're not. They just fake nice.
You're Blackness is not about the relationship you had with other black teenagers. Your Blackness is dependant on who you are and how you feel about yourself as a black man.
Question..... how did any tweens know that you were gay?
White people are kind to you because you don't represent them, and they want to undermine black people and fulfill your desire to be liked. That's a part of white supremacy. They have you feeling like they are nicer than black people, black people who are fighting for your right to live and be free. They're not. They just fake nice.
You're Blackness is not about the relationship you had with other black teenagers. Your Blackness is dependant on who you are and how you feel about yourself as a black man.
Question..... how did any tweens know that you were gay?
Agree to disagree.
Agreed. Black people as a group are not oppressing anyone. I didn't mean to convey the idea that I thought we were.
As far as their rule, it's already over. It's "in the cards". There's nothing they can do about it. We're watching a dying dragon flail. Of course, a dying dragon is still quite dangerous so we need to keep our wits, but it's a done deal. There literally undermining themselves at this point.
I think the Roman Empire took like a decade to stop flailing. I'm just taking into the future in the meantime, not really concerned because what's going to happen is gonna happen and I can't really do anything about it.
This is why I mention the role reversal. This is what they were thinking when they were building white supremacy.
Oppressors must thoroughly convince themselves they are not oppressing (self-defense, I'm the victim) in order to oppress because it isn't in the true nature of the beings we are.
Why are we not on code? I would not say I am CONCERNED about becoming the oppressor. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. If not, it won't. These things are already written, is what I'm saying. I suppose I'm thinking about because I'm a writer trying to write ahead of the curve.
The survival instinct is what creates oppression. We have a survival instinct. White supremacy is a defense mechanism, a product of their survival instinct that grew until it became a monster. Defense mechanisms perpetuate the problem they were created to defend against so it was only a matter of time before white supremacy became untenable.
(I'm a student of the mind, if that wasn't clear lol)
Uncontested.
I was talking about when I was a teenager. I'm 40 now with much more insight into why people act the way they do.
I know it is hard to believe, but white people are guilt ridden as part of their suffering that they brought on themselves. People have to thoroughly convinced themselves they are not oppressors to oppress, but it can't be done completely. Especially if the people you are oppressing are making noise about it all the time.
The guilt must be offloaded because it is too damaging to bear so their niceness is a way to offload guilt, so is there overt racism. The human mind can get very complicated.
They don't have to know for sure as long as you are different. But ultimately, it's never really about what's happening on the outside. Growing up gay in my time in itself, made me depressed. And never having seen another openly gay black male (or female) for a good while after I realized I was, I literally thought only white people could be gay. But there I was, the only gay black male on earth, a straight up alien.
My personal experience is why I question the efficacy of the gay agenda. I had never even seen another gay black person, yet I was gay. I don't think sexuality works the way a lot of people think. The gay agenda appears to be an illusion to me. We are convincing ourselves that they can do something they actually can't. Heck, maybe they think they can do it too, I have no doubt they'd like to be able to. But, I think giving it any credence is ultimately, a waste of our energy that needlessly fractures us.
You just have to accept that you’re LGBT first and want Black first people to ignore the attack on our sexuality to make sure you feel comfortable in Black first spaces as an LGBT first person.
No thanks.
I’m not going back and forth with you either.
I think a lot of the gay agenda stuff has valid reasonings, but I don't like how the end result as always is black folk going at other black folks neck.
We have to go at each other’s necks at this point. If you’re Black without a Black Agenda we need you out of the picture.
Blackness is Coming
Sixer
Thanks for your reply.
I can't give white supremacy any of the consideration that you give them. In my point of view, masculine unapologetically black men do not experience this nice behavior from white people. I'm a feminine black woman who is B1, and white people show open disdain from me from the moment I walk into the room, because I don't need or WANT anything from them, and they can't deal with that.
You say you are depressed, that likely attracted white people to you. White supremacy likes confused depressed black people who think they are nice. I'm willing to bet you didn't give them much push back on anything and allowed a lot of white supremacist behaviors around you, and that's why they were "nice" to you. That's just my guess. If you were black proud and strong, they wouldn't be nice to you.
I don't think the gay agenda is about people like you, who were born gay. Not until they were able to use you, to say that black people bullied you and white people were nice to you, like you said on this thread.
But the agenda is about making homosexuality a black thing. It's about taking confused and weak black people and telling then that being gay is an option for them, and like you said, white people will be nice to you when you're gay, and black people will hate you. You are perpetuating this.
Look, every man who played me was black, every friend I had that crossed me was black, every fight I was in was with a black woman, all of my overt bullies were black.
Still everyone who ever loved me was black, my father and husband paid for my masters degree. My father protected me. My husband supports me. The men who I dated and had fun with were black. The men who told me to keep my head up were black. My parents and inlaws who help us build our families are black. Everyone who celebrated my accomplishments were black.
White people ignored me and treated me like a wild animal, because I didn't let them play games in my space. White people hate me because I don't fall for "reverse racism" rhetoric. White teachers suspended me because I made white kids feel uncomfortable with facts. White administration's tried to belittle me and my parents because I dared to be intelligent and not the quiet scared black person who allowed white kids to share their racist opinions as if they were counter arguments.
What I saw was white people loved the gay boys especially. They loved the black kids who were scared. They loved the black guys who put down black girls. They know what they are doing.
You should investigate why you would come on a platform like this and say that white people were nice to you. It's not that I'm saying you shouldn't be here, that's not my place to say that. But you have misguided anger towards people who are your reflection, and you have a passive attitude about the very people who only like you when you are weak and depressed. Try being B1, they won't be nice, I promise you that.
Blackness is Coming
Sixer
I'm not really sure what his point is. Black people = bad, white people= good ????
It's "agent" like to me. But he may also just be hurt and still confused.
Blackness is Coming
Sixer
Your behavior makes a lot more sense now that I know you are LGBT. You are using European thinking and fighting styles. You want to bend and shape things differently than what they are.
Black/ Africans are very direct in our nature. You are not. You are on this European exploration journey and you have been taught to question and try to disrupt facts with jargon and so called "opinions". This is white behavior. They teach their kids that everyone has an opinion and everyone's opinions matter (as long as they support white supremacy). But this is not true. You're fighting yourself. I'm saying this with love, not blame or anger.
You have got to find your masculinity and move with power and strength, most time in silence. I can't tell you how to be a man, I can only imagine that being a black man is hard, but it shouldn't be so confusing in my opinion. We are a strong people, men and women alike. I can tell you sit around with white people, that think they are intelligent because they question things that have already been answered. This is not intelligence, this is silliness and a waste of time. White people think they are scientists and everyone around them is an experiment to be examined and taken apart so they can put it back together to fit their needs and agendas. Do not be their pawn, do not be their tester. I hope you know that this is my opinion and not an attack. I've enjoyed our respectful conversations.
Why do you believe that is possible? You know people who changed their sexuality so white people would be nice to them?
I believe we had a breakdown in communication somewhere. I shared my past. I misspoke if I came across as harboring anger towards you or black people in general, today. It wasn't my intention. I meant to draw a picture that could hopefully be used to foster understanding between black straights and black LGBT's.
Blackness is Coming
Sixer
I am not sure what you don't understand about what I said. People want black people to focus and accept homosexuality when we don't have to do either. It's as simple as that.
I don't think there was a miscommunication, you said that white people were nice to you, and black people were your attackers. That's very straight forward.
I had a conversation with another person on the homosexuals struggle vs. the black struggle. It came to me pointing out the structural (not content) equivalences, which he had expected I would do. It turned out to be a simple misunderstanding. Given a glass of water, I was pointing to the glass and not the water inside.
As a homosexual, I often get psyche evaluations from random people. What was my relationships with older men like when I was young, is basically always the question. I am willing to recognize I could be misunderstanding this line of questioning.
It is to give a reason for why I could have been depressed or why I could be homosexual?
Blackness is Coming
Sixer
The survival instinct does not create oppression. That's a European mindset. Now the inferiority complex will cause people to oppress.
No where is it written that black people will oppress someone because we were oppressed. You seem like to want white people to be safe from the natural order of things, meaning retaliation.
Yes, I'd like to understand what happened to you, if you're willing to share.
I see this all the time. I talk very proper and have a strong vocabulary so White people think I’m a safe negro but once they get passed the superficial they see that I’m a Malcolm X type nigga and that niceness stops quickly. It’s not all white people but I remember when I became a mason, I was super accepted and loved until I someone said something racist and I checked their asses and made them back down and then I was looked at in a new light. They realized the let a radical negro in their club.
I have been taught by my spirituality to question everything. Virtually all of the ideas we (all humans) hold as settled facts aren't actually based on anything other than other ideas that aren't based on anything. At a certain point, we just collectively agree regardless and that's fine. This is just our nature. It helps us navigate and survive the world.
I try (and often fail) not to get too much into "opinions" as the person who holds them is the only person that can change them. I try to just accept people's "opinions" and "facts" (which often are collective agreed upon opinions) and just lightly question them to get them to question them (which more often than not, doesn't goes over well, with white people or black people). I do this because I've found, even if your unquestioned "facts" turn out to be just collectively agreed upon "opinions", it may still be beneficial for you to do what you doing (or not), but you'd have extra clarity of mind when doing it. Agreed, there are many people that are "skeptics" just to be "skeptics", but you're not talking to 1 of those people.
As you know, war is largely illusion and confusion. When it comes to the gay agenda specifically, I have yet to find anyone that can prove the threat is actual. I tend to just run into strongly held belief.
The person you think I am doesn't actually exist so I do not feel attacked. All is well. I have enjoyed our conversations as well.
It wasnt for me because I'm not afraid of confrontation. If you a scary ass nigga that's hearing stuff that makes you uncomfortable and you dont speak up then yes you would feel uncomfortable.
I do not believe I misunderstood what you said. I do not contest people want black people to focus on and accept homosexuality.
I could be mistaken but It seemed like you had also suggested that black people would change their sexuality so white people would like them. I was asking why you believe this (if you believe this).
I did say white people were nice to me (when sparsely, I did interact with them) while black people were my attackers (obviously [or maybe not] not every black person I encountered). I think, among other things, the misunderstanding was that I wasn't talking about the present.
If I think you're going to kill me, I'm going to try to kill you 1st. That is the survival instinct in an extreme form. If you have a group and can't kill all the people you think are trying to kill you, you make sure they never have the power to, you oppress them. The inferiority complex is also often present, agreed.
Nowhere is that written, yes, and I'm not saying it will definitely happen. I'm not saying I want white people to be protected. I want us to be protected. I'm just looking at psychological patterns and such.
White people are suffering as a result of oppressing us. Their collective behavior is self-destructive. The suffering of oppression goes both ways. Not all of it looks the same or is apparent. The universe is just at all times.
Blackness is Coming
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I don't feel you are describing oppression.
And I really don't know why you say the suffering goes both ways. The self inflicted wound is not the other side of wounding someone else. The other side of oppression would be you becoming the oppressed. It's just not a fair comparison.
Blackness is Coming
Sixer
He pitches AND catches it Sis. So no I can't listen to shorty wanna ride the same if at all anymore.
Before my stroke I was the same way. The safe negro. But when you keep getting kicked in the head by a people that even the sun hates it is time to wake TF up.