The Cookout

Random musings, lighthearted communication, and good vibes.

Stats

Category
Entertainment
Total members
15
Total events
0
Total discussions
5K
Total views
1M

As African Americans Attempt To Disaggregate Our Blackness, Expect Pushback

Jay

The First Sixer
HNIC
  • Messages
    9,611
    Reputation
    15,168
    Location
    California
    zBucks
    48,221
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    USA
    The Author MarleyK20 will be here to answer any questions you may have regarding the article.

    Screen Shot 2022-02-14 at 3.37.25 PM.png

    Our disaggregation from flat Blackness may finally lead to liberation for those seeking it.​


    Disaggregation Isn’t Wanted, But It’s Needed​

    If you haven’t read my essay to break down White folks’ flat Blackness labeling of the diaspora, you should start here before going forward. Thinking of Black through a White Supremacist lens for a discussion on the disaggregation of flat Blackness will have you in your feelings and believing you’re being attacked personally. Maturity and a little nuance are required to have this uncomfortable discussion. What should be common sense to most, unfortunately, isn’t common at all. All Blackness is beautiful, but it’s definitely not all these same.All Black Is Beautiful, But All Black Isn’t the Same The mythical monolith of Black in Americamedium.com

    For African American Black people living in America (Freedmen, DOS, ADOS, FBA, etc.) labeling every person Black in the States has been a blessing and a curse. It’s been a blessing because the flat Black label of White Supremacy is an easy way to define the diaspora. The flat Black labeling is a curse to African Americans in particular because it does not allow for the differences in cultures, religions, political ideologies, morals, values, languages, social issues, histories, and discussions about national, tribal, as well as individual and collective pasts to stand or matter.

    We’ve allowed White supremacists to define us, erase us, and steal from us.

    While many Blacks were enslaved, millions of Blacks in America hail from nations and tribes that were not enslaved. Some Blacks are from the islands while others migrate from Europe, Africa, the United Kingdom, Latin America, and other places where the term Black isn’t used to refer to the skin hues of persons with African lineages. Many Black people immigrate from places where they’ve always had Black representation. They’ve never completely been colonized and forced to assimilate in the ways African Americans and Native Americans were.

    Some Black people come from countries where they flat out call themselves Whites (for obvious reasons), they move like Whites and want nothing to do with anything remotely labeled as Black — and some of them have skin tones that are darker than mine. Other Blacks only want to be identified by their national origins, tribes, ethnicity rejecting any labeling White Supremacy forces upon them arriving here in the United States. Black in America is hard, and America has done nearly a century of anti-Black propaganda through international broadcasting to ensure we don’t get any help to strengthen our numbers.

    America looks for a certain kind of Black to immigrate here, and it’s not the revolutionary type if you understand where I’m coming from.

    There are plenty of Black folks who love White Supremacy. They love being the only Black everywhere — in class, on the job, in college, at church, on television. The first Black anything is what they pine for. They understand the assignment and they are all in. These types of Black folks aren’t going to fight for our liberation or their own. If there is a White system or structure to be in, they’re there. These types of Black folks would rather fight against us alongside White Supremacy and remain tethered to Whiteness and all the White things they’ve accrued over time that validates them.

    We have some Black folks within our ranks who awaken every day with revolutionary and noncompliant mindsets because they understand we’re all hostages in the system of White Supremacy. All they want to do is be with like-minded individuals so they can fight to perhaps finally win the liberation so many of our elders and ancestors fought and died for.

    There are the Black folks who still believe we are still on plantations laboring as house negroes and field negroes. They think Black folks are supposed to care for everything and everyone first but ourselves. Many of these Black folks are also die-hard integrationists who believe the best thing for Black people collectively is to support White people and the People of Color brigade while competing with them all for table scraps on the floor like old bottom-feeding catfish. With this crew of Blacks, any discussions of disaggregation for our collective protection and cultural preservation will get you called xenophobic.

    We’ve got plenty of Black folks who think the best the world has to over them can only be attained from White spaces. These folks send their kids to all-White or predominantly White schools as if Black education didn’t produce similar results prior to integration. These are the same Blacks who live in all White or predominantly White communities because they believe being around Black people is unsafe. The parents of these types of Blacks taught them that being Black was bad and required assimilation for a better future. Assimilation was necessary for entry into these all highly coveted White spaces to receive the White programming with a side of anti-Blackness.

    These types of Blacks don’t like anything outside of their assimilated social circles, aren’t interested in learning anything about us, and don’t want to be around us. Zaddy is good to them, for now.

    We have a growing number of Black people who are pro-reparations movements for descendants of enslavement across the diaspora because they understand our perilous state in the world was caused by White Supremacy. Also within the diaspora, we have Black anti-reparationists and Blacks who are apathetic to the causes because they won’t be getting anything from the recompense. They have crabs in the barrel mentalities all day every day. These Blacks are mostly selfish and jealous. If they can’t have any, no one can.

    They are also dangerous because they sabotage everything they touch of ours moving forward.

    There are Black people within our flat Blackness labeling who have put everything before their Blackness. They’re conservative, liberal, progressive, LGBTQIA+, women, men, religious men/women, feminists, Black feminists, artists, pro-equality, pro-equity for all, businessmen/businesswomen, or anything before they are Black. We don’t see eye to eye on lots of things a lot. We talk differently. We socialize differently. We are often at odds with each other. They are on an unproductive Black island unto themselves like angry, bitter. Every time they speak they let us know it.

    As you can see from the aforementioned examples, flat Blackness has always been problematic for us because Black people are not a monolith. No group on earth is. We’ve not been able to talk about our differences before now. Black gatekeepers blessed by White Supremacy had all the microphones and platforms to speak on our behalf until now. Thanks to social media and sites like 6ZEROS, we’re now able to speak for ourselves.

    These disaggregation conversations we’re having are long overdue. Our Blackness is complex thanks to White Supremacy. Let’s make sure we give credit where credit is due because Black people didn’t create the problem, we’re simply using our self-determination to fix it. Black folks across the diaspora are having difficult discussions right now that make a lot of us uncomfortable, but these conversations must be had.

     

    Sankara

    Sixer
    I’m New Here
    Messages
    23
    Reputation
    26
    zBucks
    0
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    Africa
    What are your thoughts on disaggregation? Fear? Frustration? Feeling like it's xenophobic or confusing? Need more clarification? Please share your thoughts or ask questions? Let's talk.
    As a Continental African I fear that it will cause us to split up when we all need one another to survive. I don’t want the necessary line in the sand to stop us from coming together. We need less tribalism not more.
     

    Blackgravity

    On Y0 Six
    Community Host
    Tither
    App Beta Tester
  • Messages
    1,892
    Reputation
    2,557
    Location
    PDX
    zBucks
    0
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    USA
    As a Continental African I fear that it will cause us to split up when we all need one another to survive. I don’t want the necessary line in the sand to stop us from coming together. We need less tribalism not more.
    When has #FBA needed anyone other than #FBA to survive? We've been having our own backs for centuries, not one outside African group as a whole has ever been down with us, ever. I think it's time we became selfish about ourselves and strengthen our group by codification. Rule one: circle the fu*kn wagons.
     

    Sankara

    Sixer
    I’m New Here
    Messages
    23
    Reputation
    26
    zBucks
    0
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    Africa
    When has #FBA needed anyone other than #FBA to survive? We've been having our own backs for centuries, not one outside African group as a whole has ever been down with us, ever. I think it's time we became selfish about ourselves and strengthen our group by codification. Rule one: circle the fu*kn wagons.
    All it takes to survive is to not die. I'm not talking surviving I'm talking about thriving. You really think you're going to have a long and peaceful existence in the land of your oppressor. We need a strong Africa for any Black people across the world to have freedom and respect. You have highlighted my entire point, tribalism is not going to get us anywhere. Black Americans demanding respect is much needed but any Black American that thinks they won't need a healthy Africa is deluding themselves.
     

    Victorystatus

    Smell my cologne...
    Content Contributor
    Messages
    453
    Reputation
    520
    zBucks
    0
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    What are your thoughts on disaggregation? Fear? Frustration? Feeling like it's xenophobic or confusing? Need more clarification? Please share your thoughts or ask questions? Let's talk.
    I like how you teased out the detail in explaining to deferring examples. In the our 1st 6zeros.net broadcast we highlighted that we held a peculiar relationship to the continent and its contiguous members in the #securethetribe segment. Everytime we raised this level of awareness, we received backlash but it also sounds like jealousy and a desperate attempt for acceptance.
     

    Blackgravity

    On Y0 Six
    Community Host
    Tither
    App Beta Tester
  • Messages
    1,892
    Reputation
    2,557
    Location
    PDX
    zBucks
    0
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    USA
    All it takes to survive is to not die. I'm not talking surviving I'm talking about thriving. You really think you're going to have a long and peaceful existence in the land of your oppressor. We need a strong Africa for any Black people across the world to have freedom and respect. You have highlighted my entire point, tribalism is not going to get us anywhere. Black Americans demanding respect is much needed but any Black American that thinks they won't need a healthy Africa is deluding themselves.
    Please show or explain how this works, especially with people who don't idintify with us. Give me one reason anyone from Africa would do anything to help us? Just one. It's been over a few centuries and they made it clear they could give AF about us.
     

    Sankara

    Sixer
    I’m New Here
    Messages
    23
    Reputation
    26
    zBucks
    0
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    Africa
    Please show or explain how this works, especially with people who don't idintify with us. Give me one reason anyone from Africa would do anything to help us? Just one. It's been over a few centuries and they made it clear they could give AF about us.
    You need nuance, you need to be able to disaggregate yourself from flat Blackness WITHOUT disaggregating yourself from Blackness in totality. The continent is where the resources are. Black people as a whole need to decolonize our minds and then work together to regain control of what is rightfully ours.

    Black American anguish is warranted and needed but Black Americans putting themselves on an island surrounded by White supremacist to the North in Canada and White supremacists to the South in Mexico is not the best state to be in. You know why China doesn't abuse Chinese or Russians or other populations? Because they have to answer to China and Russia for it.

    Black Americans are detached from a homebase and when we all wake up we can start establishing that. But there are steps to getting there and disaggregation is a much needed first step. Africa is how we will get independence as a global Black race, by leverage our own resources to create self-sustainability.

    Your rhetoric stops you from seeing that as the end goal. It seems like your end state is living next to White people in the USA rather than uniting with other Black Empowerment minded Black people globally and creating a real change.
     

    The Haze Of Our Lives

    Royal Sixer
    Community Host
    Tither
  • Messages
    2,493
    Reputation
    4,103
    Location
    Michissippi
    zBucks
    7,777
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    USA
    The Author MarleyK20 will be here to answer any questions you may have regarding the article.

    View attachment 1885

    Our disaggregation from flat Blackness may finally lead to liberation for those seeking it.​


    Disaggregation Isn’t Wanted, But It’s Needed​

    If you haven’t read my essay to break down White folks’ flat Blackness labeling of the diaspora, you should start here before going forward. Thinking of Black through a White Supremacist lens for a discussion on the disaggregation of flat Blackness will have you in your feelings and believing you’re being attacked personally. Maturity and a little nuance are required to have this uncomfortable discussion. What should be common sense to most, unfortunately, isn’t common at all. All Blackness is beautiful, but it’s definitely not all these same.All Black Is Beautiful, But All Black Isn’t the Same The mythical monolith of Black in Americamedium.com

    For African American Black people living in America (Freedmen, DOS, ADOS, FBA, etc.) labeling every person Black in the States has been a blessing and a curse. It’s been a blessing because the flat Black label of White Supremacy is an easy way to define the diaspora. The flat Black labeling is a curse to African Americans in particular because it does not allow for the differences in cultures, religions, political ideologies, morals, values, languages, social issues, histories, and discussions about national, tribal, as well as individual and collective pasts to stand or matter.

    We’ve allowed White supremacists to define us, erase us, and steal from us.

    While many Blacks were enslaved, millions of Blacks in America hail from nations and tribes that were not enslaved. Some Blacks are from the islands while others migrate from Europe, Africa, the United Kingdom, Latin America, and other places where the term Black isn’t used to refer to the skin hues of persons with African lineages. Many Black people immigrate from places where they’ve always had Black representation. They’ve never completely been colonized and forced to assimilate in the ways African Americans and Native Americans were.

    Some Black people come from countries where they flat out call themselves Whites (for obvious reasons), they move like Whites and want nothing to do with anything remotely labeled as Black — and some of them have skin tones that are darker than mine. Other Blacks only want to be identified by their national origins, tribes, ethnicity rejecting any labeling White Supremacy forces upon them arriving here in the United States. Black in America is hard, and America has done nearly a century of anti-Black propaganda through international broadcasting to ensure we don’t get any help to strengthen our numbers.

    America looks for a certain kind of Black to immigrate here, and it’s not the revolutionary type if you understand where I’m coming from.

    There are plenty of Black folks who love White Supremacy. They love being the only Black everywhere — in class, on the job, in college, at church, on television. The first Black anything is what they pine for. They understand the assignment and they are all in. These types of Black folks aren’t going to fight for our liberation or their own. If there is a White system or structure to be in, they’re there. These types of Black folks would rather fight against us alongside White Supremacy and remain tethered to Whiteness and all the White things they’ve accrued over time that validates them.

    We have some Black folks within our ranks who awaken every day with revolutionary and noncompliant mindsets because they understand we’re all hostages in the system of White Supremacy. All they want to do is be with like-minded individuals so they can fight to perhaps finally win the liberation so many of our elders and ancestors fought and died for.

    There are the Black folks who still believe we are still on plantations laboring as house negroes and field negroes. They think Black folks are supposed to care for everything and everyone first but ourselves. Many of these Black folks are also die-hard integrationists who believe the best thing for Black people collectively is to support White people and the People of Color brigade while competing with them all for table scraps on the floor like old bottom-feeding catfish. With this crew of Blacks, any discussions of disaggregation for our collective protection and cultural preservation will get you called xenophobic.

    We’ve got plenty of Black folks who think the best the world has to over them can only be attained from White spaces. These folks send their kids to all-White or predominantly White schools as if Black education didn’t produce similar results prior to integration. These are the same Blacks who live in all White or predominantly White communities because they believe being around Black people is unsafe. The parents of these types of Blacks taught them that being Black was bad and required assimilation for a better future. Assimilation was necessary for entry into these all highly coveted White spaces to receive the White programming with a side of anti-Blackness.

    These types of Blacks don’t like anything outside of their assimilated social circles, aren’t interested in learning anything about us, and don’t want to be around us. Zaddy is good to them, for now.

    We have a growing number of Black people who are pro-reparations movements for descendants of enslavement across the diaspora because they understand our perilous state in the world was caused by White Supremacy. Also within the diaspora, we have Black anti-reparationists and Blacks who are apathetic to the causes because they won’t be getting anything from the recompense. They have crabs in the barrel mentalities all day every day. These Blacks are mostly selfish and jealous. If they can’t have any, no one can.

    They are also dangerous because they sabotage everything they touch of ours moving forward.

    There are Black people within our flat Blackness labeling who have put everything before their Blackness. They’re conservative, liberal, progressive, LGBTQIA+, women, men, religious men/women, feminists, Black feminists, artists, pro-equality, pro-equity for all, businessmen/businesswomen, or anything before they are Black. We don’t see eye to eye on lots of things a lot. We talk differently. We socialize differently. We are often at odds with each other. They are on an unproductive Black island unto themselves like angry, bitter. Every time they speak they let us know it.

    As you can see from the aforementioned examples, flat Blackness has always been problematic for us because Black people are not a monolith. No group on earth is. We’ve not been able to talk about our differences before now. Black gatekeepers blessed by White Supremacy had all the microphones and platforms to speak on our behalf until now. Thanks to social media and sites like 6ZEROS, we’re now able to speak for ourselves.

    These disaggregation conversations we’re having are long overdue. Our Blackness is complex thanks to White Supremacy. Let’s make sure we give credit where credit is due because Black people didn’t create the problem, we’re simply using our self-determination to fix it. Black folks across the diaspora are having difficult discussions right now that make a lot of us uncomfortable, but these conversations must be had.

    Great share Jay!
     

    Czharcus

    Truth-Detector
  • Messages
    430
    Reputation
    186
    Location
    Fairburn, Georgia
    zBucks
    866
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    USA
    You need nuance, you need to be able to disaggregate yourself from flat Blackness WITHOUT disaggregating yourself from Blackness in totality. The continent is where the resources are. Black people as a whole need to decolonize our minds and then work together to regain control of what is rightfully ours.

    Black American anguish is warranted and needed but Black Americans putting themselves on an island surrounded by White supremacist to the North in Canada and White supremacists to the South in Mexico is not the best state to be in. You know why China doesn't abuse Chinese or Russians or other populations? Because they have to answer to China and Russia for it.

    Black Americans are detached from a homebase and when we all wake up we can start establishing that. But there are steps to getting there and disaggregation is a much needed first step. Africa is how we will get independence as a global Black race, by leverage our own resources to create self-sustainability.

    Your rhetoric stops you from seeing that as the end goal. It seems like your end state is living next to White people in the USA rather than uniting with other Black Empowerment minded Black people globally and creating a real change.
    I think you're correct but from my perspective, you may be missing the "1st step of the 1st step" if you will entertain my analogy. If you are stuck like glue to something, you may initially need to exert extra force to part from it then you would normally.

    I mean to say, the aggregation of FBA blackness to immigrant blackness in this country is like glue. We may not be able to exert the ideal minimal force to extract ourselves. We may initially have to bust a "HARD left" for anyone to perceive a difference at all.

    As you say, these other populations have nations behind them, which gives them strength. Because of our unique circumstance, we have to do today, what they did centuries ago, we have to become a nation in the belly of the beast.


    It isn't 2022 everywhere in the world (or even this country) for everybody in the world, not as far as development. This is the mistake many well-meaning white people make. They believe, for example, other nations should be as welcoming of homosexuals as they are and so they try to force acceptance on those nations. They end up prolonging the resistance to it. Eventually, everyone comes to the same conclusion and it's likely better that you allow them to do it on their own time.

    Bottom line is in order for us to be strong WITH you, we have to be strong WITHOUT you. In the end, it all works out. Trust the process.
     

    Czharcus

    Truth-Detector
  • Messages
    430
    Reputation
    186
    Location
    Fairburn, Georgia
    zBucks
    866
    Sex
    Male
    Race
    Black
    Origin
    USA
    What are your thoughts on disaggregation? Fear? Frustration? Feeling like it's xenophobic or confusing? Need more clarification? Please share your thoughts or ask questions? Let's talk.
    Great read, thank you.
    pro-equality, pro-equity for all … before they are Black.
    It was those things that were a big contributing factor to me being B1 but I understand different people interpret things differently.