The Cookout

[Jay]

A day before Dave Chappelle’s Untitled documentary is set to screen at the Hollywood Bowl and the comedian is expected onstage, his new Netflix special The Closer is generating a growing backlash over remarks about the trans and LGBTQ+ communities.

“Gender is a fact,” Chappelle declares in the special, which debuted on the streamer Tuesday. “Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth,” he adds, conspicuously negating C-sections, which make up about a third of all births in America alone. “That is a fact,” Chappelle goes on to say before launching into an anatomy line that “trans women” genitalia are “not quite what it is.”

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[Mastamind]

The fact that he's getting bad reviews confirms most assessments that there's an agenda. And if you watch this and get outraged or offended, there's no hope for you honestly.

 

[Mastamind]

GLAADs tweet basically proves Chappelles points.

 

[Jay]

The fact that he's getting bad reviews confirms most assessments that there's an agenda. And if you watch this and get outraged or offended, there's no hope for you honestly.

Yup he was very reasonable and was basically like "don't pretend to be a minority but then use white supremacy at will".

 

[Bruh Man]

Muhfuckaz need to stop lettin them bully us. I’m all for people being who they are but no one should be above a critique.

 

[sourgrapes]

Dave Chappelle <3

These haters can go have a dildo fight somewhere else. He has been saying it like it was for years. They are only mad now because it is socially acceptable to be mad. They can't laugh at themselves and have no backbones. I know plenty of fans of his who are gay, bi, etc. and they know what they are getting themselves into when going to his shows. It isn't like he hides it.

Like you do you but don't get mad at us because we want to have fun in life. Some people just love being miserable and misery loves company. I am all for people being themselves but these groups are basically cults at this point using these people to make money and push political agendas. At least more people are waking up to that fact.

Be gay, bi, les, trans, whatever but don't infringe on other people lest you want the same to be done to you. You'd think they'd know this from being discriminated against for years. They are the most protected group of people in the whole damn country now. They cry about anything and like spoiled children, the knee is bent in their favor.

 

[Red Velvet]

Dave Chappelle <3

These haters can go have a dildo fight somewhere else. He has been saying it like it was for years. They are only mad now because it is socially acceptable to be mad. They can't laugh at themselves and have no backbones. I know plenty of fans of his who are gay, bi, etc. and they know what they are getting themselves into when going to his shows. It isn't like he hides it.

Like you do you but don't get mad at us because we want to have fun in life. Some people just love being miserable and misery loves company. I am all for people being themselves but these groups are basically cults at this point using these people to make money and push political agendas. At least more people are waking up to that fact.

Be gay, bi, les, trans, whatever but don't infringe on other people lest you want the same to be done to you. You'd think they'd know this from being discriminated against for years. They are the most protected group of people in the whole damn country now. They cry about anything and like spoiled children, the knee is bent in their favor.

Yes. Dave said that empathy goes both ways and I don’t feel like that is the case here. We either 100% agree with them or we are the enemy which makes no space for those who accept you but don’t partake.

 

[Mud City Savage]

Comedy is about making fun of everything though. That's the beauty in it. Comedy also makes light of tragic events in our world. I think most people have common sense to understand comedy is joking, and not to be taken seriously. If you don't like the brand of comedy someone does, don't watch them.

Blasting Chappelle for what he says, will only cause more people to view his special. Because let's face it, when a group or anyone decides to say how offensive it is, it tends to backfire and draw more publicity to it anyway. So GLADD is probably helping Chappelle by complaining about his comedy.

My view is simple, if you don't like the comedy, ignore the person. You can't be hurt by something if you ignore that artist. It should never be up to an artist to change their comedy to appease every damn person in the world. That's crazy.

 

[Trillfate]

Dave told his truth and stood on it

 

[TheHarmattan]

They stay hunting Dave. Standing up to them makes them furious that you are not playing by the rules that they set.

 

[Jay]

Let this be testament to the power you have when you’re not a slave to a check. They cant cancel him cuz he ain’t afraid to walk away and go do small shows and still make money.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

Btw, The National Black Justice Coalition is actually a LGBT advocacy group. None of their work is done in the cause of Black justice.

 

[Mastamind]

Btw, The National Black Justice Coalition is actually a LGBT advocacy group. None of their work is done in the cause of Black justice.

Yeah I never heard of them and looked them up and saw what they were about.

 

[Czharcus]

“Gender is a fact,”

I honestly don't really know what that statement means but I assume it is a nice way of saying trans people can never really be the gender they transition into. We all start out as female. We don't actually get different parts, the same parts just develop differently. So the only real difference between the genders is time. All males are basically trans. But we put so much weight on the moment of birth when it's really all the same growth from inception to birth and beyond. "Birth" is just an illusion. We do not change to a different species when we are born. We just continue what we started 9 months ago on the outside of our mothers.

I understand white supremacy uses everything against black people. For us, is this really a conversation about white supremacy? Because the gender thing is really a nonissue.

 

[Jay]

I honestly don't really know what that statement means but I assume it is a nice way of saying trans people can never really be the gender they transition into. We all start out as female. We don't actually get different parts, the same parts just develop differently. So the only real difference between the genders is time. All males are basically trans. But we put so much weight on the moment of birth when it's really all the same growth from inception to birth and beyond. "Birth" is just an illusion. We do not change to a different species when we are born. We just continue what we started 9 months ago on the outside of our mothers.

I understand white supremacy uses everything against black people. For us, is this really a conversation about white supremacy? Because the gender thing is really a nonissue.

I don’t believe gender is fact but sex is.

I also think transgenderism is real and valid…what I don’t think is valid though is a dude putting on a wig and bullying us into saying he’s a woman.

 

[sourgrapes]

I don’t believe gender is fact but sex is.

I also think transgenderism is real and valid…what I don’t think is valid though is a dude putting on a wig and bullying us into saying he’s a woman.

Gender used to mean male/female just as sex did. It became a more broad description in using man/woman but at the core just means penis or vagina. When people started attaching feminine and masculine to the term, that is when things got changed. I can't remember the person's name but a university teacher started it back in the 70s I think. No one took it seriously until around like 2010 and that is around the time people started just acting like it was factual.

I think people need to understand that some men are more feminine and some women are more masculine but this doesn't change their gender. This gender identity crap is BS and they just used trans issues to push it through. It is like a giant pyramid scheme of people using each other to get what they want at this point.

Like there are people saying "bug" is a gender now. Like no, that is a nickname. The f you smoking?

 

[Blackgravity]

I watched it... he said nothing wrong, the people who are bent out of shape clearly don't understand the point. The dumbing down of America is real. It's not hard to grasp what he's getting at.

 

[Blackgravity]

I don’t believe gender is fact but sex is.

I also think transgenderism is real and valid…what I don’t think is valid though is a dude putting on a wig and bullying us into saying he’s a woman.

Fact's
People that identify as the opposite sex is a real thing. like you said, being bullied by that community is what I have a problem with, and the agenda that's clearly unfolding. No other group tries to force their views, life style or agendas except White supremist and the alphabet group.

 

[Jay]

Fact's
People that identify as the opposite sex is a real thing. like you said, being bullied by that community is what I have a problem with, and the agenda that's clearly unfolding. No other group tries to force their views, life style or agendas except White supremist and the alphabet group.

Yup and as Dave said both groups often are indistinguishable from one another. What's problematic is that when we have this dialogue we are called transphobic and that we're anti-LGBT but we're not. I love LGBT, I want them to live life and have freedom and happiness, if my son was gay I'd love him just the same and tell him not to bring a pants sagging low life negro in my house...but I don't want dudes in the female bathroom, I don't want to date dudes with wigs just cuz they think they a woman, I don't want dudes putting on wigs and getting in woman's sports, I don't want men in woman's bathrooms because they have a wig on.

 

[Mastamind]

I watched it... he said nothing wrong, the people who are bent out of shape clearly don't understand the point. The dumbing down of America is real. It's not hard to grasp what he's getting at.

A lot of this is just the media stirring shit up anyway. In a week or so tops everyone will move on.

 

[Stan Zero]

I haven't watched the special yet, hoping to sometime this weekend, but from what I heard, it wasn't that bad even. Learn to take a joke, that's my best advice. I'm sure there are many in the GLAAD community or LGBTQ community that love Chappelle and the comedy he does, and probably laugh at many of the jokes that are at their expense. I mean come on, comedy reaches through some of the worst things imaginable. Without comedy, I doubt we could recover from how messed up this world is.

A lot of this is just the media stirring shit up anyway. In a week or so tops everyone will move on.

Oh for sure, it'll blow over in a week when they find something else they deem to be offensive, and complain about that. This is the internet, something "offensive" comes around every week, and then they forget about it for the next thing.

Yup and as Dave said both groups often are indistinguishable from one another. What's problematic is that when we have this dialogue we are called transphobic and that we're anti-LGBT but we're not. I love LGBT, I want them to live life and have freedom and happiness, if my son was gay I'd love him just the same and tell him not to bring a pants sagging low life negro in my house...but I don't want dudes in the female bathroom, I don't want to date dudes with wigs just cuz they think they a woman, I don't want dudes putting on wigs and getting in woman's sports, I don't want men in woman's bathrooms because they have a wig on.

100% agree with you here.

 

[Czharcus]

This gender identity crap is BS

How do you know tho? I mean to say, how do you know what's in someone else's head?

 

[Czharcus]

No other group tries to force their views, life style or agendas except White supremist and the alphabet group.

I prefer "The Alphabet Academy." LOL, no I heard Taurean Reign say it one time and I thought it was the coolest shit. I literally wrote a script about it.

To your point:
Aren't we (black people) trying to force our views or agendas? If not, why not?

What does it mean to force views and agendas? Like, what is the alphabet Academy actually doing to force it? I dare you to say something black people aren't also doing.

"Lifestyle." I think people use this word wrong a lot when it comes to the Alphabet Academy to where it comes across condescending. It implies people of The Alphabet Academy are merely subsets of straight people with no actual realness to them. It likens something like sexuality to an article of clothing. Is heterosexuality like an article of clothing? If so, why is it such a big deal for heterosexuals to change clothes? Wear homosexual today and you can choose to switch and wear your heterosexual again tomorrow.

 

[Red Velvet]

I prefer "The Alphabet Academy." LOL, no I heard Taurean Reign say it one time and I thought it was the coolest shit. I literally wrote a script about it.

To your point:
Aren't we (black people) trying to force our views or agendas? If not, why not?

What does it mean to force views and agendas? Like, what is the alphabet Academy actually doing to force it? I dare you to say something black people aren't also doing.

"Lifestyle." I think people use this word wrong a lot when it comes to the Alphabet Academy to where it comes across condescending. It implies people of The Alphabet Academy are merely subsets of straight people with no actual realness to them. It likens something like sexuality to an article of clothing. Is heterosexuality like an article of clothing? If so, why is it such a big deal for heterosexuals to change clothes? Wear homosexual today and you can choose to switch and wear your heterosexual again tomorrow.

Black people aren’t forcing views on others, white supremacy is forcing its opinion us and we are counter balancing it.

We are not changing the definition of words and trying to shame people for not ageeeing.

 

[Redd*Blitz]

YT's panties are all in a bunch because Chappelle hits 'em hard 1nce again with TRUTH. Sooooooo, in good ol fashion form, THEY, being Hollyweird, is gonna fuq with him. Especially that of the LGBTQ.

 

[Czharcus]

Black people aren’t forcing views on others, white supremacy is forcing its opinion us and we are counter balancing it.

It's a matter of perspective. Ask a white person who believes the world is already correct racially if they agree with you.
I say to say, The Alphabet Academy may be doing the same thing in their eyes, but one wouldn't be able to see that from a certain perspective.

Naturally, there is some white supremacy mixed in there because white people run The Alphabet Academy but we have to use discernment.

We are not changing the definition of words and trying to shame people for not ageeeing.

Maybe we aren't changing definitions of words, but many words have changed definitions multiple times throughout history. Words aren't real things, they are just pointers to real things. They and their original definitions were made up.


And of course we shame people for not agreeing with us. "Coons" "Pull up Summer" etc.. It's natural.

 

[TheHarmattan]

I honestly don't really know what that statement means but I assume it is a nice way of saying trans people can never really be the gender they transition into. We all start out as female. We don't actually get different parts, the same parts just develop differently. So the only real difference between the genders is time. All males are basically trans. But we put so much weight on the moment of birth when it's really all the same growth from inception to birth and beyond. "Birth" is just an illusion. We do not change to a different species when we are born. We just continue what we started 9 months ago on the outside of our mothers.

I understand white supremacy uses everything against black people. For us, is this really a conversation about white supremacy? Because the gender thing is really a nonissue.

Peace and no disrespect.

It's impossible that we all start off as female. I've been a male since my "sperm and egg days". My father gave me a Y chromosome when they "rocked and rolled" one night.

@Jay is a male too but he has an extra chromosome

 

[Jay]

Peace and no disrespect.

It's impossible that we all start off as female. I've been a male since my "sperm and egg days". My father gave me a Y chromosome when they "rocked and rolled" one night.

@Jay is a male too but he has an extra chromosome

 

[sourgrapes]

How do you know tho? I mean to say, how do you know what's in someone else's head?

Making up genders is a reflection of the identity crisis facing the country. You'll find that most people doing this stuff are young white people who seemingly have warped views of reality. I am not hating on them but I feel like they were conditioned to think and feel this way about themselves.

 

[Czharcus]

Peace and no disrespect.

It's impossible that we all start off as female. I've been a male since my "sperm and egg days". My father gave me a Y chromosome when they "rocked and rolled" one night.

@Jay is a male too but he has an extra chromosome

The Y chromosome determined you would develop into a male, it was merely instruction. But before that development, the blank slate that was instructed is considered female.

 

[Czharcus]

Making up genders is a reflection of the identity crisis facing the country. You'll find that most people doing this stuff are young white people who seemingly have warped views of reality. I am not hating on them but I feel like they were conditioned to think and feel this way about themselves.

Are they making up genders or are they discovering them?

I'm reminded of hearing white people say they created capitalism and/or democracy. They did not make these things, they discovered them. We tend to think we make things in this universe, but everything is actually already here. This reality is infinite because it was created by a being that is infinite.

Our minds trick us into believing we know what should and should not be. It does this because infinity scares us. It is groundlessness. Every conflict in the world is due to people holding onto ground (figurative) that in whatever amount of time, won't even be there anymore.

In the future, there will be trans humans/cyborgs and other stuff we regard as science-fiction. (It's only science-fiction until we do it.) That will be the new gender we'll think we made up so we'll fight over that.

The only issue of sexuality will be if you fuck humans or cyborgs because we will have exhausted the fight over hetero/Homo/bisexual. Everybody will fuck everybody and nobody will give a fuck (unless you trying to fuck a cyborg, that shit ain't right) and the species will continue.

I inject some facetiousness, but only to make a point. Our struggle against what is here now is futile. What will be, will be and there's nothing we can do about it because no one is controlling it nor can control it. Who can control an infinite reality?

We fear groundlessness like death, but groundlessness is freedom.

 

[Jay]

Are they making up genders or are they discovering them?

I'm reminded of hearing white people say they created capitalism and/or democracy. They did not make these things, they discovered them. We tend to think we make things in this universe, but everything is actually already here. This reality is infinite because it was created by a being that is infinite.

Our minds trick us into believing we know what should and should not be. It does this because infinity scares us. It is groundlessness. Every conflict in the world is due to people holding onto ground (figurative) that in whatever amount of time, won't even be there anymore.

In the future, there will be trans humans/cyborgs and other stuff we regard as science-fiction. (It's only science-fiction until we do it.) That will be the new gender we'll think we made up so we'll fight over that.

The only issue of sexuality will be if you fuck humans or cyborgs because we will have exhausted the fight over hetero/Homo/bisexual. Everybody will fuck everybody and nobody will give a fuck (unless you trying to fuck a cyborg, that shit ain't right) and the species will continue.

I inject some facetiousness, but only to make a point. Our struggle against what is here now is futile. What will be, will be and there's nothing we can do about it because no one is controlling it nor can control it. Who can control an infinite reality?

We fear groundlessness like death, but groundlessness is freedom.

We have the ability to shape culture…the universe is like a pit of Legos and while there are rules that govern how the Lego blocks move and act, we have autonomy within that rule set.

I feel like every movement has weirdos and when a movement does not account for those weirdos and says their opinion holds equal weight then it now becomes the official stance.

How is a man putting a wig on and saying he’s a woman any different from me putting a trunk on and saying I’m an elephant?

 

[TheHarmattan]

The Y chromosome determined you would develop into a male, it was merely instruction. But before that development, the blank slate that was instructed is considered female.

What blank slate are you talking about?
Egg = XX
Sperm =XY
Is there another me that came before me?

 

[Lamont]

What blank slate are you talking about?
Egg = XX
Sperm =XY
Is there another me that came before me?

I second this. If anything, a baby starts off in a neutral state and if no testosterone in fusion it will follow the female blueprint. If testosterone, it follows the male blueprint. It doesn’t start off as female.

 

[Czharcus]

We have the ability to shape culture…the universe is like a pit of Legos and while there are rules that govern how the Lego blocks move and act, we have autonomy within that rule set.

I feel like every movement has weirdos and when a movement does not account for those weirdos and says their opinion holds equal weight then it now becomes the official stance.

How is a man putting a wig on and saying he’s a woman any different from me putting a trunk on and saying I’m an elephant?

How do we know we know all the rules?

The human does not have any more autonomy than a blade of grass. We just think we do because we perceive the mind's thoughts and the body's actions. Free will belongs to who we actually are, the one Self. We are not the body. "God" made us in his image. That nigga ain't a human body. As the one Self, we are doing exactly what we want to do. Who are you (thinking with the body's mind) to tell Us (the one infinite Self) what rules we must obey in a universe of our own making?



I agree, every movement has "weirdos" but who am I to judge myself in another body? Who am I to decide my other self is too weird (barring harming another self)? We don't actually need them (our other selves) to tell us where the line of sincerity is before it becomes a "weird" moment that's blown out of proportion. We have the power to figure that out and we will need to learn how to as "weird" moments will always be blown out of proportion. Often (probably mostly if not all), the issue isn't that the movement doesn't account for the "weirdos" but rather we want to believe the "weirdos" are the movement.

I'm reminded of a STRUCTURAL similarity regarding the Reparations argument. When white people ask about "how," it does not matter how civilized, well spoken, logical, workable or thorough the plan is, they will always say it won't work, it's a bad plan or it's not a good idea. Because that's what they WANT to believe.



On one hand, you're talking about 2 entirely different species (we haven't gotten advanced enough for trans species yet). On the other hand, you're citing a caricature, creating a strawman argument. Not saying it never happens (although if it does, they probably aren't actually LGBT [but maybe that's another thread]) but it's pretty obvious, that's not the movement and/or needs further investigation to determine.

 

[Czharcus]

What blank slate are you talking about?
Egg = XX
Sperm =XY
Is there another me that came before me?

Physically, you were the egg. Females only produce female eggs. Sperm isn't gendered. They tell the female egg to continue as or divert as.

 

[Czharcus]

I second this. If anything, a baby starts off in a neutral state and if no testosterone in fusion it will follow the female blueprint. If testosterone, it follows the male blueprint. It doesn’t start off as female.

Neutral can't be fertilized.

 

[Czharcus]

Our balls literally drop from our abdomen.

 

[Nesut]

How do we know we know all the rules?

The human does not have any more autonomy than a blade of grass. We just think we do because we perceive the mind's thoughts and the body's actions. Free will belongs to who we actually are, the one Self. We are not the body. "God" made us in his image. That nigga ain't a human body. As the one Self, we are doing exactly what we want to do. Who are you (thinking with the body's mind) to tell Us (the one infinite Self) what rules we must obey in a universe of our own making?

No one can have a debate with you if you make every answer abstract.

 

[Red Velvet]

It's a matter of perspective. Ask a white person who believes the world is already correct racially if they agree with you.
I say to say, The Alphabet Academy may be doing the same thing in their eyes, but one wouldn't be able to see that from a certain perspective.

Naturally, there is some white supremacy mixed in there because white people run The Alphabet Academy but we have to use discernment.


Maybe we aren't changing definitions of words, but many words have changed definitions multiple times throughout history. Words aren't real things, they are just pointers to real things. They and their original definitions were made up.


And of course we shame people for not agreeing with us. "Coons" "Pull up Summer" etc.. It's natural.

We can’t have a Black discussion when every time we try to politic internally you conflate things with white supremacy.

 

[TheHarmattan]

Physically, you were the egg. Females only produce female eggs. Sperm isn't gendered. They tell the female egg to continue as or divert as.

I am a product of egg and nut.
That sounded weird but it's true.

How can an egg be "gendered" when no division has taken place. Nothing is formed. The book (chromosome) is missing pages (genes), so there isn't anything to gender until they are fused.

 

[Czharcus]

No one can have a debate with you if you make every answer abstract.

I'm not making it abstract. I'm just telling you the truth. You are not your body. Your body does not have free will. It carries conditioning and reacts to the environment according to that conditioning. It can't do anything other than what it believes yields the best results as it relates to It's goal. You don't have to believe me, it doesn't have to be abstract, observe yourself. You will get 1st hand testimony.

The truth isn't debatable. Everybody has access to it and it's the same truth. That's why it's the truth.


But I understand what you saying. I believe I fall into speaking ultimate truth when I don't know how to translate it into a relative truth that makes me still "right". LOL. I'm like white supremacy, when I feel threatened, I just nuke'em (with that highest truth in my case). Allowing myself to be "wrong" on the relative level is something I'm working on. ("Right" and "wrong" – not real things btw) but I still treat them as if they were (conditioning).

 

[Nesut]

I'm not making it abstract. I'm just telling you the truth. You are not your body. Your body does not have free will. It carries conditioning and reacts to the environment according to that conditioning. It can't do anything other than what it believes yields the best results as it relates to It's goal. You don't have to believe me, it doesn't have to be abstract, observe yourself. You will get 1st hand testimony.

The truth isn't debatable. Everybody has access to it and it's the same truth. That's why it's the truth.


But I understand what you saying. I believe I fall into speaking ultimate truth when I don't know how to translate it into a relative truth that makes me still "right". LOL. I'm like white supremacy, when I feel threatened, I just nuke'em (with that highest truth in my case). Allowing myself to be "wrong" on the relative level is something I'm working on. ("Right" and "wrong" – not real things btw) but I still treat them as if they were (conditioning).

No, you’re basing your arguments on subjective factors when we are having an objective conversation.

 

[TheHarmattan]

This who convo is so weird to me.

Example Truth: Sam died in 1998

Another example truth: Sam told me in 1984 that he wouldn't live to 100. He was 99.

Is one more true than the other?

 

[Czharcus]

We can’t have a Black discussion when every time we try to politic internally you conflate things with white supremacy.

I'm generally not talking about white supremacy specifically, I was pointing to a metaphysical structure using an example that's easy for me that I thought would be most visible to you.

Like a glass of water. The content is the water (white supremacy) while the glass is the metaphysical structure. I was pointing to the glass but I understand that is hard to do without aiming my finger at the water.

 

[Czharcus]

I am a product of egg and nut.
That sounded weird but it's true.

How can an egg be "gendered" when no division has taken place. Nothing is formed. The book (chromosome) is missing pages (genes), so there isn't anything to gender until they are fused.

I don't know

 

[Czharcus]

No, you’re basing your arguments on subjective factors when we are having an objective conversation.

What's subjective about my arguments?

 

[Czharcus]

No, you’re basing your arguments on subjective factors when we are having an objective conversation.

Everything I'm saying, you literally can verify for yourself without help from anyone (although, guidance may shortened the journey).