The Cookout

[DaBeast]

These days, prostitution isn't what it used to be. It's more secure and protected as more escort services are springing up. I believe prostitution is legal in Las Vegas only, but I could see it being legalized elsewhere because of all the rules that escort services establish. Anyway, it's a lot safer than traditional prostitution where someone waits on the street. With an escort service, I think they are tested on the daily and they don't have to sleep with a customer if they don't feel up to it.

With that being said, I could see it being legalized even more because of all the rules set in place. Anyway, I know this is a touchy subject, but do you think that prostitution will be legalized? But only in an escort like business or setting?

And for those comfortable answering, has anyone ever gone to an escort service? Honestly, I've thought of it, but I don't know if I could. The idea weirds me out personally. No judgement to those who want to though. As long as everyone is consenting adults, then I don't really care.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

Prostitution should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

 

[Troy]

100%. Legalizing it would make it much safer and would benefit the sex workers and john’s equally. Legitimate, well intentioned, individuals would be able to go into the business and provide proper experiences for all involved. Johns would be able to get the attention they seek with comfort and the workers would be able to provide the service in a safe environment where they are protected. It makes all the sense in the world but nothing make sense in the USA so there you have it.

 

[DaBeast]

Prostitution should be legalized, regulated, and taxed.

100%. Legalizing it would make it much safer and would benefit the sex workers and john’s equally. Legitimate, well intentioned, individuals would be able to go into the business and provide proper experiences for all involved. Johns would be able to get the attention they seek with comfort and the workers would be able to provide the service in a safe environment where they are protected. It makes all the sense in the world but nothing make sense in the USA so there you have it.

Exactly. If it's a lot safer to do, we'll be seeing a massive decrease in sexually transmitted diseases, rape, murder and other problems that prostitution has to deal with. We already are seeing safe escort services popping up, so I think it would go a long way to changing things. As well, this would get men and women off the streets. It would solve so much imo.

 

[Troy]

Exactly. If it's a lot safer to do, we'll be seeing a massive decrease in sexually transmitted diseases, rape, murder and other problems that prostitution has to deal with. We already are seeing safe escort services popping up, so I think it would go a long way to changing things. As well, this would get men and women off the streets. It would solve so much imo.

But it’s a nice feeder system for jails and prisons so there is little movement behind it.

 

[DaBeast]

But it’s a nice feeder system for jails and prisons so there is little movement behind it.

Oh of course. They don't care as long as they make their quota of arrests and all that. So much could be done if they literally allowed prostitution. The amount of money going into the country would help as well. But I blame it on the fact that a lot of the politicians in office are old fashioned and don't care about anything but their religion and their beliefs.

We're starting to see the younger generations take over somewhat. But there's still tons of work to be done before we're 100% free to do what we want.

 

[Goldilocks]

I wouldn’t want it in my town city or county honestly. I have nothing against the idea of it but in practice it looks a lot different than most people think. I watch a lot of Soft White Under Belly. Prostitution often attracts, trafficking, drug use, violence and crime. If it was just selling sex probably wouldn’t care but it’s layered. Making it legal won’t stop any of those things.

 

[Sovereign]

I wouldn’t want it in my town city or county honestly. I have nothing against the idea of it but in practice it looks a lot different than most people think. I watch a lot of Soft White Under Belly. Prostitution often attracts, trafficking, drug use, violence and crime. If it was just selling sex probably wouldn’t care but it’s layered. Making it legal won’t stop any of those things.

But it would diminish it. Legalize marijuana didn’t stop illegal merchants but it did provide a safer avenue for buyers and sellers. You can buy or sell without interacting with seedy elements. The same will happen here, the average person will go to legitimate parlors hurting the underworld.

 

[Goldilocks]

But it would diminish it. Legalize marijuana didn’t stop illegal merchants but it did provide a safer avenue for buyers and sellers. You can buy or sell without interacting with seedy elements. The same will happen here, the average person will go to legitimate parlors hurting the underworld.

Do you know that it would actually diminish it? You are assuming it would. Seems like it would support more shady practices under the guise of being legal and increase prostitution which I don’t think we need more prostitution. People aren’t drugs. Jail time does not phase prostitutes and pimps now. If the punishment for “violations” is less severe than it is now how would it really help?

If it was legal pimping would be a much bigger endeavor. Imagine the amount of immigrants that would be trafficked into the US, get a work visa and then be strong armed into prostitution.

On top of that what city, state or county is gonna vote for a brothel to be operated within their jurisdiction? No way in hell people are gonna allow that unless it’s the most down trodden city which probably has an issue managing the crime they have so how regulated is it actually going to be? Again, it attracts violence, drug use trafficking etc.

I support a person’s right to do what she would like with her body. I support sex work to an extent. But I do not support prostitution as an industry.

 

[Jay]

Do you know that it would actually diminish it? You are assuming it would. Seems like it would support more shady practices under the guise of being legal and increase prostitution which I don’t think we need more prostitution. People aren’t drugs. Jail time does not phase prostitutes and pimps now. If the punishment for “violations” is less severe than it is now how would it really help?

If it was legal pimping would be a much bigger endeavor. Imagine the amount of immigrants that would be trafficked into the US, get a work visa and then be strong armed into prostitution.

On top of that what city, state or county is gonna vote for a brothel to be operated within their jurisdiction? No way in hell people are gonna allow that unless it’s the most down trodden city which probably has an issue managing the crime they have so how regulated is it actually going to be? Again, it attracts violence, drug use trafficking etc.

I support a person’s right to do what she would like with her body. I support sex work to an extent. But I do not support prostitution as an industry.

I think what you’re saying is true for any enterprise. If you keep illegal you’re surrendering it completely to the underworld, if you make it legal then you make a legitimate lane for people. It’s like gun bans, they say if guns are legal then bad guys are gonna get ‘em….but the fact is the bad guys are gonna have guns no matter what, the question is are we going to let the good guys have em legally.

So I think in additional to legalization the current resources devoted to busting a man trying to get a handjob after work needs to go to finding, investigating, and busting sex traffickers. Then some of the refund from the taxing of prostitution needs to be used for social services so that if a lady is indeed being trafficked or with an abusive pimp we can help her relocate, get housing, and some type of cash aid.

You make a good point but I think it can be solved for. Keeping it illegal makes it so that the very issue you’re afraid of stays how things are. A prostitute right now cannot go to the law about an abusive pimp because she is committing a crime. You are advocating no recourse for these ladies.

 

[Goldilocks]

I think what you’re saying is true for any enterprise. If you keep illegal you’re surrendering it completely to the underworld, if you make it legal then you make a legitimate lane for people. It’s like gun bans, they say if guns are legal then bad guys are gonna get ‘em….but the fact is the bad guys are gonna have guns no matter what, the question is are we going to let the good guys have em legally.

So I think in additional to legalization the current resources devoted to busting a man trying to get a handjob after work needs to go to finding, investigating, and busting sex traffickers. Then some of the refund from the taxing of prostitution needs to be used for social services so that if a lady is indeed being trafficked or with an abusive pimp we can help her relocate, get housing, and some type of cash aid.

You make a good point but I think it can be solved for. Keeping it illegal makes it so that the very issue you’re afraid of stays how things are. A prostitute right now cannot go to the law about an abusive pimp because she is committing a crime. You are advocating no recourse for these ladies.

So you want to support and grow the industry there by expanding the current issues within the industry and then use the funds from the industry to help the people that it ruins? That’s like drug dealers buying the neighborhood they sell drugs in turkeys at Thanksgiving. It doesn’t even equate.

Also since you want to use guns as the talking point, Australia outlawed guns decades ago and now they have almost zero gun violence. In the USA where guns are legal and regulated we lead the world in gun violence. The “criminals will do it anyway” argument isn’t valid even within your own example.

Report a pimp? Lol So you think Pimps are going to register themselves as employers. It won’t chalk up to anymore than a domestic violence charge. First the girl has to prove that is her employer which would be impossible since prostitutes give pimps money not the other way around.

It might fly in a brothel situation but again they would just use foreign men and women who are too scared to be deported to make waves.

And prostitutes can report pimps now. Trafficking is illegal. All they have to do is snitch and take a deal I order to provide information. Happens every day. So no I am not advocating for no recourse. You are advocating to expand the issues created by the industry and using a band aid approach to justify the actions.

There is literally no benefit to making prostitution legal other than generating money for the government. The people it hurts will greatly out number the people it helps.

 

[Jay]

So you want to support and grow the industry there by expanding the current issues within the industry and then use the funds from the industry to help the people that it ruins? That’s like drug dealers buying the neighborhood they sell drugs in turkeys at Thanksgiving. It doesn’t even equate.

Also since you want to use guns as the talking point, Australia outlawed guns decades ago and now they have almost zero gun violence. In the USA where guns are legal and regulated we lead the world in gun violence. The “criminals will do it anyway” argument isn’t valid even within your own example.

Report a pimp? Lol So you think Pimps are going to register themselves as employers. It won’t chalk up to anymore than a domestic violence charge. First the girl has to prove that is her employer which would be impossible since prostitutes give pimps money not the other way around.

It might fly in a brothel situation but again they would just use foreign men and women who are too scared to be deported to make waves.

And prostitutes can report pimps now. Trafficking is illegal. All they have to do is snitch and take a deal I order to provide information. Happens every day. So no I am not advocating for no recourse. You are advocating to expand the issues created by the industry and using a band aid approach to justify the actions.

There is literally no benefit to making prostitution legal other than generating money for the government. The people it hurts will greatly out number the people it helps.

I’ll respond when I get to my computer keyboard.

 

[Jay]

So you want to support and grow the industry there by expanding the current issues within the industry and then use the funds from the industry to help the people that it ruins? That’s like drug dealers buying the neighborhood they sell drugs in turkeys at Thanksgiving. It doesn’t even equate.

I think this is a slight mischaracterization of my argument. Right now there is supply and demand...the demand is men wanting to buy sexual access and there is a supply of women willing the meet the demand. Right now, it's illegal to demand it and supply it but since it's a viable market, the underworld becomes the entity that pairs the supply with the demand.

What I'm saying is, let's be realistic about this market and understand that it's as old as time and is not going anywhere. So instead of ceding control over to the underworld, let's create a market that allows the supply and the demand to engage in legitimate transactions. Doing so, will allow the both the John and the Sex Worker to partake in a transaction in a perfectly safe and healthy fashion free of the underowld.

Does this mean that the underworld would go away? No. But the average John wouldn't have to go to them to have their desires met. They would be able to go to a legitimate brothel, swipe their debit card, and have an experience with a sex worker who is working in a dorm with security, routine STD checks, condoms, etc.

Also since you want to use guns as the talking point, Australia outlawed guns decades ago and now they have almost zero gun violence. In the USA where guns are legal and regulated we lead the world in gun violence. The “criminals will do it anyway” argument isn’t valid even within your own example.

That's not a good argument because Australia is water-locked so its infinitely easier to control for something like that. If the USA banned guns the bad guys would simply funnel them through Mexico or Canada and thus they will always have guns.

Report a pimp? Lol So you think Pimps are going to register themselves as employers. It won’t chalk up to anymore than a domestic violence charge. First the girl has to prove that is her employer which would be impossible since prostitutes give pimps money not the other way around.

No. If someone is strong arming you during the commission of a crime, you will be less inclined to go to law enforcement because you will be indicting yourself. This is the issue we were having with illegals in CA, they would be victims of crime but wouldn't go to the police for fear of being deported. If prostitution is legal and a pimp is trying to strong arm a sex worker, she could go to the police to tell without fear of being charged for prostitution.

And prostitutes can report pimps now. Trafficking is illegal. All they have to do is snitch and take a deal I order to provide information. Happens every day. So no I am not advocating for no recourse. You are advocating to expand the issues created by the industry and using a band aid approach to justify the actions.

I'm not advocating to expand the issues. I'm advocating for understanding that there is a legitimate market and we should look to facilitating safe marketplaces for transactions to occur. But in tandem we need to put forth laws that help weed out sex trafficking...it could be that a woman her under Visa can't get a sex worker license. It could be that any entity that wants to be a legitimate brothel needs to have all women licensed and have documentation on where they are from, how long they've been here, etc. They should have to have a sex worker license on the wall just like a barber. There's a lot of things that can be done but the USA doesn't GAF about sex trafficking so if they did legalize it, they'd just let it run amok like the Netherlands did.

 

[sourgrapes]

I wouldn’t want it in my town city or county honestly. I have nothing against the idea of it but in practice it looks a lot different than most people think. I watch a lot of Soft White Under Belly. Prostitution often attracts, trafficking, drug use, violence and crime. If it was just selling sex probably wouldn’t care but it’s layered. Making it legal won’t stop any of those things.

I second this. I have no issue if this is the path women want but I don't want this in my area. Like raising kids around this? No thanks. Maybe make it legal in specific areas. I know it isn't "legal" in Las Vegas, but they allow esscorts. You pay for their company, not their "services".

 

[Rollie Forbes]

If prostitution/escorting were legal, the woman in the clip above could file a legal complaint against the Asian john who tried to rip her off.
As it stands, she has no legal recourse (depending on the state) for being ripped off since she was participating in an illegal act.

 

[Jay]

If prostitution/escorting were legal, the woman in the clip above could file a legal complaint against the Asian john who tried to rip her off.
As it stands, she has no legal recourse (depending on the state) for being ripped off since she was participating in an illegal act.

This was my point, thanks for sharing. It leaves the sex workers vulnerable to these bad actors. Giving them the advice "Well just don't prostitute" is unrealistic. Prostitution is like war, it will be here as long as humans are.

 

[Goldilocks]

I think this is a slight mischaracterization of my argument. Right now there is supply and demand...the demand is men wanting to buy sexual access and there is a supply of women willing the meet the demand. Right now, it's illegal to demand it and supply it but since it's a viable market, the underworld becomes the entity that pairs the supply with the demand.

What I'm saying is, let's be realistic about this market and understand that it's as old as time and is not going anywhere. So instead of ceding control over to the underworld, let's create a market that allows the supply and the demand to engage in legitimate transactions. Doing so, will allow the both the John and the Sex Worker to partake in a transaction in a perfectly safe and healthy fashion free of the underowld.

Does this mean that the underworld would go away? No. But the average John wouldn't have to go to them to have their desires met. They would be able to go to a legitimate brothel, swipe their debit card, and have an experience with a sex worker who is working in a dorm with security, routine STD checks, condoms, etc.



That's not a good argument because Australia is water-locked so its infinitely easier to control for something like that. If the USA banned guns the bad guys would simply funnel them through Mexico or Canada and thus they will always have guns.



No. If someone is strong arming you during the commission of a crime, you will be less inclined to go to law enforcement because you will be indicting yourself. This is the issue we were having with illegals in CA, they would be victims of crime but wouldn't go to the police for fear of being deported. If prostitution is legal and a pimp is trying to strong arm a sex worker, she could go to the police to tell without fear of being charged for prostitution.


I'm not advocating to expand the issues. I'm advocating for understanding that there is a legitimate market and we should look to facilitating safe marketplaces for transactions to occur. But in tandem we need to put forth laws that help weed out sex trafficking...it could be that a woman her under Visa can't get a sex worker license. It could be that any entity that wants to be a legitimate brothel needs to have all women licensed and have documentation on where they are from, how long they've been here, etc. They should have to have a sex worker license on the wall just like a barber. There's a lot of things that can be done but the USA doesn't GAF about sex trafficking so if they did legalize it, they'd just let it run amok like the Netherlands did.

I think you have an idealist prospective and how prostitution is and how it could be because your main focus is the consumer and not the actual people providing the service. And you keep saying women as if men won’t be strongly affected too.

You keep skipping over the fact that prostitution has many problems outside of sex which is my main point. You want to expand an industry that creates massive amount of issues and add half ass regulations. Many people turn to prostitution to foster addiction, homelessness and as a last resort. Adding licensing does nothing to help those people.

Also if the US doesn’t care about trafficking then how are these regulations you say will be so helpful gonna help exactly? If they don’t care when it’s illegal why would they start to care when it’s legal?

And which neighborhoods do think these brothels will be in and which people do you think they will disproportionately affect? We have a community in shambles and you willingly want to bring this sort of behavior into the community to make it easier for men to get their nut off? We’re on a pro Black site justifying pimping out our people. SMH that’s extremely questionable leadership.

Thankfully it’s not legal and won’t be legal anytime soon regardless how you or I feel about it. Also saying the only reason Australia gun law work is because it’s an island is very disingenuous but that’s another matter. Any way that’s all I have to say about the matter.

 

[Goldilocks]

If prostitution/escorting were legal, the woman in the clip above could file a legal complaint against the Asian john who tried to rip her off.
As it stands, she has no legal recourse (depending on the state) for being ripped off since she was participating in an illegal act.

And unless she jumped through hoops to get a license there would still be no legal recourse because she would be practicing illegally.

Ya’ll are operating in ideals not actuality.

 

[Jay]

I think you have an idealist prospective and how prostitution is and how it could be because your main focus is the consumer and not the actual people providing the service. And you keep saying women as if men won’t be strongly affected too.

You keep skipping over the fact that prostitution has many problems outside of sex which is my main point. You want to expand an industry that creates massive amount of issues and add half ass regulations. Many people turn to prostitution to foster addiction, homelessness and as a last resort. Adding licensing does nothing to help those people.

Also if the US doesn’t care about trafficking then how are these regulations you say will be so helpful gonna help exactly? If they don’t care when it’s illegal why would they start to care when it’s legal?

And which neighborhoods do think these brothels will be in and which people do you think they will disproportionately affect? We have a community in shambles and you willingly want to bring this sort of behavior into the community to make it easier for men to get their nut off? We’re on a pro Black site justifying pimping out our people. SMH that’s extremely questionable leadership.

Thankfully it’s not legal and won’t be legal anytime soon regardless how you or I feel about it. Also saying the only reason Australia gun law work is because it’s an island is very disingenuous but that’s another matter. Any way that’s all I have to say about the matter.

You’re not responding to what I’m saying because Ive already addressed multiple points youve stated. Lastly to say that I’m promoting pimping of our own people and to question my leadership based on your own straw man is a low blow and disrespectful. I’ve done nothing for you to come at me like that.

 

[Jay]

And which neighborhoods do think these brothels will be in and which people do you think they will disproportionately affect? We have a community in shambles and you willingly want to bring this sort of behavior into the community to make it easier for men to get their nut off? We’re on a pro Black site justifying pimping out our people. SMH that’s extremely questionable leadership.

In addition, this activity is not new to our neighborhoods, it’s there already. You can go down PCH in my city and see sex workers on the street. I’m not recommending for prostitutes to be brought into the neighborhood, I’m recommending that ALLL the prostitutes and johns ALREADY in the neighborhood have a safer means for the transaction to take place. You’re arguing as if prostitution is not already happening…it’s one of the oldest professions in the world. This is why your statement that I’m advocating the pimping of our people is even bogus. I’m talking about a potential solution to an existing problem.

 

[Goldilocks]

You’re not responding to what I’m saying because Ive already addressed multiple points youve stated. Lastly to say that I’m promoting pimping of our own people and to question my leadership based on your own straw man is a low blow and disrespectful. I’ve done nothing for you to come at me like that.

You’re providing idealistic answers that really don’t get to the meat and bones of the situation because you’re priority is giving men easy access to sex. You yourself said that the US doesn’t care about sex trafficking. So by your owe admission these laws your proposed would not be enforced.

And yes it is poor leadership to promote activities that are detrimental to communities. People who turn to prostitution are usually of lower economic status and in the US who are those people?

Black people…

I am not trying to disrespect you but I stand by what I said. If we as a people are supposed to progress we actually have to have morals, principles and standards. You can’t champion destructive behavior and want progression at the same time.

 

[Goldilocks]

In addition, this activity is not new to our neighborhoods, it’s there already. You can go down PCH in my city and see sex workers on the street. I’m not recommending for prostitutes to be brought into the neighborhood, I’m recommending that ALLL the prostitutes and johns ALREADY in the neighborhood have a safer means for the transaction to take place. You’re arguing as if prostitution is not already happening…it’s one of the oldest professions in the world. This is why your statement that I’m advocating the pimping of our people is even bogus. I’m talking about a potential solution to an existing

Many prostitutes are under age, homeless, drug addicted, uneducated and down trodden and also uninterested in being documented. Adding legal barriers doesn’t help them because they won’t utilize that avenue.

Those people in the neighborhood will be in the situation while new brothels will also be coming the hood probably ran by non Black people expanding the industry importing foreign women and men.

You are outta touch with the reality of the situation. We should focus on reducing it in our community not helping it expand and operate more efficiently.

 

[Jay]

You’re providing idealistic answers that really don’t get to the meat and bones of the situation because you’re priority is giving men easy access to sex. You yourself said that the US doesn’t care about sex trafficking. So by your owe admission these laws your proposed would not be enforced.

And yes it is poor leadership to promote activities that are detrimental to communities. People who turn to prostitution are usually of lower economic status and in the US who are those people?

Black people…

I am not trying to disrespect you but I stand by what I said. If we as a people are supposed to progress we actually have to have morals, principles and standards. You can’t champion destructive behavior and want progression at the same time.

It’s not idealistic, it’s been tested in different countries and legalization helped. You’re debating off emotion which is why you’re attacking my character and bringing up straw man arguments. I’m going to bring sources now:

One recent study of data from Rhode Island—where a loophole allowed legal indoor prostitution in 2003-2009—found the state’s rape rate declined significantly over this period, especially in urban areas. (The gonorrhea rate also went down.)

Legalizing prostitution in Rhode Island reduced rape and STDs.

In New Zealand, street prostitution, escort services, pimping and brothels were decriminalized in 2003, and so far sex workers and the New Zealand government have raved about the arrangement. A government review in 2008 found the overall number of sex workers had not gone up since prostitution became legal, nor had instances of illegal sex-trafficking. The most significant change was sex workers enjoying safer and better working conditions. Researchers also found high levels of condom use and a very low rate of HIV among New Zealand sex workers.

New Zealand legalized prostitution and sex trafficking did not increase but sex workers got better conditions. Condom usage increased and HIV decreased.

Decriminalization would end the punitive system wherein sex workers—a disproportionately female, minority and transgender group—are being separated from their families, thrown in jail, and saddled with court costs and criminal records over blow-jobs.

You brought in the “protect Black people” straw man well don’t you want to protect them from law enforcement and the judicial system that overly punished us for everything? Decriminalizing prostitution gives the judicial system one less reason to throw the book at Black people.

What the Swedish Model Gets Wrong About Prostitution

Making the purchase of sex a crime strips women of agency and autonomy. It should be decriminalized altogether.

time.com

A 2014 report by the Swedish police found no reduction in trafficking in the country after 15 years of criminalization. Conversely, the decriminalization of sex work does not cause an increase in trafficking. For example, New Zealand, which decriminalized sex work in 2003, is judged by even the United States State Department to be among those countries doing the most effective work on human trafficking.

10 Reasons to Decriminalize Sex Work

This brief provides ten reasons why decriminalizing sex work is the best policy for promoting health and human rights for sex workers, their families, and communities.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

Once again, Sweden made prostitution illegal and saw no reduction in sex trafficking. New Zealand made it legal and is deemed to be the most effective in combating sex trafficking, why?

Amnesty International’s declaration states, “The criminalization of prostitution violates the human rights of sex workers and hinders efforts to protect them from exploitation.” By decriminalizing sex work, the workers’ access to justice and to health and social services will no longer be threatened. Thus, empowering and enabling sex workers to realize their right to work in order to financially provide for themselves and their family.

When Sex workers do not have to worry about going to jail they actually cooperate with law enforcement to push out sex traffickers.

You’re not thinking pragmatically about the situation, you’re thinking emotionally and pretending like prostitution will just go away.

And the pro-black spin you’re adding to your arguments to try to defame me is hogwash. Prostitution is not going anywhere even when we get our community intact.

Asians are the highest earning workers in the USA but make up a huge percentage of the prostitutes through the massage parlor networks.

It will always be here not matter what so it’s better to address it and regulate it then to cede it to the underworld.

If you respond, please don’t result to ad hominems or bring my character into question. Thanks.

 

[Jay]

Many prostitutes are under age, homeless, drug addicted, uneducated and down trodden and also uninterested in being documented. Adding legal barriers doesn’t help them because they won’t utilize that avenue.

Time magazine had a great response to this:

“Certainly some in the sex trade – like minors, for example – are exploited, abused and forced into prostitution, while others aren’t literally trafficked but feel trapped in the industry by economic necessity. These are the people who should receive attention, and resources, from social reformers. And there would be a lot more resources to devote if we left consenting adults to exchange money for sex in peace.”

 

[Goldilocks]

It’s not idealistic, it’s been tested in different countries and legalization helped. You’re debating off emotion which is why you’re attacking my character and bringing up straw man arguments. I’m going to bring sources now:



Legalizing prostitution in Rhode Island reduced rape and STDs.



New Zealand legalized prostitution and sex trafficking did not increase but sex workers got better conditions. Condom usage increased and HIV decreased.



You brought in the “protect Black people” straw man well don’t you want to protect them from law enforcement and the judicial system that overly punished us for everything? Decriminalizing prostitution gives the judicial system one less reason to throw the book at Black people.

What the Swedish Model Gets Wrong About Prostitution

Making the purchase of sex a crime strips women of agency and autonomy. It should be decriminalized altogether.

time.com

10 Reasons to Decriminalize Sex Work

This brief provides ten reasons why decriminalizing sex work is the best policy for promoting health and human rights for sex workers, their families, and communities.

www.opensocietyfoundations.org

Once again, Sweden made prostitution illegal and saw no reduction in sex trafficking. New Zealand made it legal and is deemed to be the most effective in combating sex trafficking, why?



When Sex workers do not have to worry about going to jail they actually cooperate with law enforcement to push out sex traffickers.

You’re not thinking pragmatically about the situation, you’re thinking emotionally and pretending like prostitution will just go away.

And the pro-black spin you’re adding to your arguments to try to defame me is hogwash. Prostitution is not going anywhere even when we get our community intact.

Asians are the highest earning workers in the USA but make up a huge percentage of the prostitutes through the massage parlor networks.

It will always be here not matter what so it’s better to address it and regulate it then to cede it to the underworld.

If you respond, please don’t result to ad hominems or bring my character into question. Thanks.

I’m attacking the argument not you. You are the one being emotional. You are the one making it personal. You have specifically said I am promoting lack of legal recourse which I am not. I didn’t take it personal because I know it’s a discussion. If you can’t handle having your prospective questioned then why have the discussion at all?

Here is some information you may wanna take in:

Does Legalized Prostitution Increase Human Trafficking?

This paper investigates the impact of legalized prostitution on human trafficking inflows. According to economic theory, there are two opposing effect…

www.sciencedirect.com

The study’s findings include:

• Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.

Does Legal Prostitution Lead to Human Trafficking and Slavery? - Prostitution - ProCon.org

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Legalization or decriminalization of the sex industry is often touted as a way to weed out organized crime in the industry and reduce the associated illegal trafficking inflows. However, evidence shows that legalization / decriminalization only increases flows of women trafficked into the industry and provides a legitimate front for organized crime, while at the same time reducing police oversight of the industry.”

BC complain about their condition, promote degeneracy and then get upset when someone questions their promotion of degeneracy.

If you really think legal prostitution is good for the BC vote into your community then send me the address so I know where not to visit.

I think I said all have to say. Once someone starts to take it personal the conversation no longer productive. Have a great day.

 

[TheHarmattan]

These days, prostitution isn't what it used to be. It's more secure and protected as more escort services are springing up. I believe prostitution is legal in Las Vegas only,

Don't go to jail. There are 4 counties in Nevada that allow it. Las Vegas is not in one of those counties.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

And unless she jumped through hoops to get a license there would still be no legal recourse because she would be practicing illegally.

Ya’ll are operating in ideals not actuality.

We don't know what the licensing process would be, so we don't know if she'd have to jump through hoops.
For all we know, it could be as easy as starting an LLC.
We're all speculating.

 

[HeffDawg]

I’m attacking the argument not you. You are the one being emotional.

I have no beef with you but this is a personal pet peeve I see frequently from our lovely other half. You’re saying one thing, doing another but expect us to continue going off your words. Exhibit A: How is the following quote attacking the argument?

We’re on a pro Black site justifying pimping out our people. SMH that’s extremely questionable leadership.

You attacked someone’s character in this statement hence why they took it personal. You are the one that made the conversation personal and then shamed the person you were debating for taking it personal, how is that logical? You even used this as your justification for opting out of the conversation.

I think I said all have to say. Once someone starts to take it personal the conversation no longer productive. Have a great day.

In this thread you have mischaracterized arguments, engaged in strawman arguments, attacked people’s character but then want to pretend to be the intellectual superior who must bow out of the conversation? It’s ludicrous. The unmitigated gall..

 

[Goldilocks]

I have no beef with you but this is a personal pet peeve I see frequently from our lovely other half. You’re saying one thing, doing another but expect us to continue going off your words. Exhibit A: How is the following quote attacking the argument?



You attacked someone’s character in this statement hence why they took it personal. You are the one that made the conversation personal and then shamed the person you were debating for taking it personal, how is that logical? You even used this as your justification for opting out of the conversation.



In this thread you have mischaracterized arguments, engaged in strawman arguments, attacked people’s character but then want to pretend to be the intellectual superior who must bow out of the conversation? It’s ludicrous. The unmitigated gall..

Respectfully, you just took my personal actions and put it on women in general to justify a general comment to try to make it personal. Which makes no sense. You don’t need to talk down on some "you women always." You lost me right there. I am an individual. I don't speak nor represent all women. Your sexual bias let's me know that having an actual conversation won't be productive. But I will reply and leave it at this.

I never said he was a bad leader. I said his opinion reflected poor leadership. There is a different. We are having a general discussion. That is my opinion and is still my opinion. If he didn't exist it would still be my opinion. If anyone disagrees, lower your voice and strengthen your argument. If you think I am wrong then tell me why I am wrong. I'm not sure why it has to be more that.

But to the actual point. No one is above criticism especially when you are in a leadership position. Sorry. I lead 60 to 100 people daily, I get criticized constantly. You know what I do? I defend my position or make adjustments. I am not going to adjust my opinion to make others feel better.

I didn't intend to disrespect him. But my opinion hasn't changed. I understand you don't like or agree with my opinion. I can live with that.

 

[HeffDawg]

Respectfully, you just took my personal actions and put it on women in general to justify a general comment to try to make it personal. Which makes no sense. You don’t need to talk down on some "you women always." You lost me right there. I am an individual. I don't speak nor represent all women. Your sexual bias let's me know that having an actual conversation won't be productive. But I will reply and leave it at this.

I never said he was a bad leader. I said his opinion reflected poor leadership. There is a different. We are having a general discussion. That is my opinion and is still my opinion. If he didn't exist it would still be my opinion. If anyone disagrees, lower your voice and strengthen your argument. If you think I am wrong then tell me why I am wrong. I'm not sure why it has to be more that.

But to the actual point. No one is above criticism especially when you are in a leadership position. Sorry. I lead 60 to 100 people daily, I get criticized constantly. You know what I do? I defend my position or make adjustments. I am not going to adjust my opinion to make others feel better.

I didn't intend to disrespect him. But my opinion hasn't changed. I understand you don't like or agree with my opinion. I can live with that.

Fair. I didnt mean to offend you and I appreciate your explanation. You’re a credit to the board and I see why you’re a mod.

 

[BeHart]

In my opinion, prostitution should be legalized. Then again, I feel the same about mutual combat. Dueling. Defunding the police. Legalize all weapons. And anything a man could get beat up or worse for every man not identifying as one, woman, and animal can. In writing. In every state. Because I see that as the only way ppl will choose to be respectful even Whites. No legal or societal protection, it's just you and the other person.

 

[Deleted member 231]

Amsterdam seems to have it figured out.

 

[GwynShivers]

These days, prostitution isn't what it used to be. It's more secure and protected as more escort services are springing up. I believe prostitution is legal in Las Vegas only, but I could see it being legalized elsewhere because of all the rules that escort services establish. Anyway, it's a lot safer than traditional prostitution where someone waits on the street. With an escort service, I think they are tested on the daily and they don't have to sleep with a customer if they don't feel up to it.

With that being said, I could see it being legalized even more because of all the rules set in place. Anyway, I know this is a touchy subject, but do you think that prostitution will be legalized? But only in an escort like business or setting?

And for those comfortable answering, has anyone ever gone to an escort service? Honestly, I've thought of it, but I don't know if I could. The idea weirds me out personally. No judgement to those who want to though. As long as everyone is consenting adults, then I don't really care.

I can't really condone it. CoVid, Omnichron & whatever else is out here. Human Trafficking is at a all time high & so is black market organ rings. Amber alerts have my phone buzzing like crazy & these racists have lost their damn minds! Mechee X just announced that 5 elderly black women were attacked by white men. 4 of them died & 1 in critical condition. I'm an elder, but in no way average! 🎶YOU DON'T WANT NO PROBLEMS WITH ME🎶 💯

 

[Bruh Man]

I can't really condone it. CoVid, Omnichron & whatever else is out here. Human Trafficking is at a all time high & so is black market organ rings. Amber alerts have my phone buzzing like crazy & these racists have lost their damn minds! Mechee X just announced that 5 elderly black women were attacked by white men. 4 of them died & 1 in critical condition. I'm an elder, but in no way average! 🎶YOU DON'T WANT NO PROBLEMS WITH ME🎶 💯

Now let’s say it reduced human trafficking by 22%, could you see yourself supporting it?

 

[GwynShivers]

Now let’s say it reduced human trafficking by 22%, could you see yourself supporting it?

I don't think so, Bruce Man. Most of these tricks get the prostitutes to themselves & either beat the shit out of them or kill them. Some come up short for whatever reason, then their PIMP beats the shit out of them. Very seldom a winning situation. 🤷🏽‍♀️

 

[GwynShivers]

I don't think so, Bruce Man. Most of these tricks get the prostitutes to themselves & either beat the ish out of them or kill them. Some come up short for whatever reason, then their PIMP beats the ish out of them. Very seldom a winning situation. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Sorry about the spelling of your name, auto correct took over again! 🙄

 

[Bruh Man]

I don't think so, Bruce Man. Most of these tricks get the prostitutes to themselves & either beat the ish out of them or kill them. Some come up short for whatever reason, then their PIMP beats the ish out of them. Very seldom a winning situation. 🤷🏽‍♀️

But that would be the same legalization Or not.

 

[James]

Yes sure it should be legalize and should protect girls as well people who use their services, here in my part where I am living, they have many rights and framework which protect them and their rights.

 

[porter66]

These days, prostitution isn't what it used to be. It's more secure and protected as more escort services are springing up. I believe prostitution is legal in Las Vegas only, but I could see it being legalized elsewhere because of all the rules that escort services establish. Anyway, it's a lot safer than traditional prostitution where someone waits on the street. With an escort service, I think they are tested on the daily and they don't have to sleep with a customer if they don't feel up to it.

With that being said, I could see it being legalized even more because of all the rules set in place. Anyway, I know this is a touchy subject, but do you think that prostitution will be legalized? But only in an escort like business or setting?

And for those comfortable answering, has anyone ever gone to an escort service? Honestly, I've thought of it, but I don't know if I could. The idea weirds me out personally. No judgement to those who want to though. As long as everyone is consenting adults, then I don't really care.

Prostitution should definitely be decriminalized. This is the 21st century punishing people consenting adults for acts they freely chose to partake in is insane. I lived and worked in Europe & its legal there and safe. America considers itself a moral Christian nation above the fray, therefore I don't ever see it getting legalized, especially with trafficking today.

 

[HeffDawg]

Prostitution should definitely be decriminalized. This is the 21st century punishing people consenting adults for acts they freely chose to partake in is insane. I lived and worked in Europe & its legal there and safe. America considers itself a moral Christian nation above the fray, therefore I don't ever see it getting legalized, especially with trafficking today.

You aint lying brotha man. No reason to be locking people up for doing what they want to do with their own bodies.

 

[Devin]

This is definitely a very touchy subject, and I know many of us will have our own opinions. I've read through some of the replies, and I see a mixture of thoughts. In my opinion, I have never been a fan of prostitution because I feel as if there is a bigger agenda behind it. I've always noticed a bigger picture of prostitution having a way to sex traffic, women, and children. Therefore, I'm not for prostitution, period. I will say that with an escort service, it may be safer, but I don't believe that solves the problem as a whole.

 

[MR-D-ROB]

Any business endeavors is going to be safer if it's regulated and legalized.
The only reason it's illegal is due to the beliefs of religious zealots!

 

[Mark Black]

These days, prostitution isn't what it used to be. It's more secure and protected as more escort services are springing up. I believe prostitution is legal in Las Vegas only, but I could see it being legalized elsewhere because of all the rules that escort services establish. Anyway, it's a lot safer than traditional prostitution where someone waits on the street. With an escort service, I think they are tested on the daily and they don't have to sleep with a customer if they don't feel up to it.

With that being said, I could see it being legalized even more because of all the rules set in place. Anyway, I know this is a touchy subject, but do you think that prostitution will be legalized? But only in an escort like business or setting?

And for those comfortable answering, has anyone ever gone to an escort service? Honestly, I've thought of it, but I don't know if I could. The idea weirds me out personally. No judgement to those who want to though. As long as everyone is consenting adults, then I don't really care.

I think that it should be decriminalized. Legalization means the gov't putting it's nasty fingers in the pie, benefiting from the previous prohibition & it's legalization. Let consenting adults do what they want and prosecute those who commit sexual crimes to the fullest extent.

 

[Jay]

I think that it should be decriminalized. Legalization means the gov't putting it's nasty fingers in the pie, benefiting from the previous prohibition & it's legalization. Let consenting adults do what they want and prosecute those who commit sexual crimes to the fullest extent.

Yeah but then that makes a huge lane for sex trafficking.

 

[ProMoatBlack]

I think what you’re saying is true for any enterprise. If you keep illegal you’re surrendering it completely to the underworld, if you make it legal then you make a legitimate lane for people. It’s like gun bans, they say if guns are legal then bad guys are gonna get ‘em….but the fact is the bad guys are gonna have guns no matter what, the question is are we going to let the good guys have em legally.

So I think in additional to legalization the current resources devoted to busting a man trying to get a handjob after work needs to go to finding, investigating, and busting sex traffickers. Then some of the refund from the taxing of prostitution needs to be used for social services so that if a lady is indeed being trafficked or with an abusive pimp we can help her relocate, get housing, and some type of cash aid.

You make a good point but I think it can be solved for. Keeping it illegal makes it so that the very issue you’re afraid of stays how things are. A prostitute right now cannot go to the law about an abusive pimp because she is committing a crime. You are advocating no recourse for these ladies.

Excellent point.

 

[Mark Black]

Yeah but then that makes a huge lane for sex trafficking.

I feel that. However, sex trafficking is already a crime. The resources that are being spent on currently locking up johns and sex workers can be diverted into actually investigating and prosecuting sex traffickers. Also, with decriminalization comes competition.

Just like with drug dealing, it's dangerous (and super profitable) due to it's illegality. By opening sex work up AND cracking down hard on sex trafficking, it reduces the profitability for traffickers while simultaneously opening a new area of money making for otherwise law abiding citizens.

IMHO, we should always advocate for freedom for crimes that are just crimes by law (mala prohibita) while punishing hard, crimes that are wrong because they are nearly universally wrong (mala in se crimes like murder, rape, kidnapping, etc.)

 

[Jay]

I feel that. However, sex trafficking is already a crime. The resources that are being spent on currently locking up johns and sex workers can be diverted into actually investigating and prosecuting sex traffickers. Also, with decriminalization comes competition.

Just like with drug dealing, it's dangerous (and super profitable) due to it's illegality. By opening sex work up AND cracking down hard on sex trafficking, it reduces the profitability for traffickers while simultaneously opening a new area of money making for otherwise law abiding citizens.

IMHO, we should always advocate for freedom for crimes that are just crimes by law (mala prohibita) while punishing hard, crimes that are wrong because they are nearly universally wrong (mala in se crimes like murder, rape, kidnapping, etc.)

I hear you. I like the legalization route because it creates more revenue that can be used for support services. It also removes some of the social stigma behind it. But I definitely hear your side too.

 

[Sapphire]

If someone wants to sell their body and someone wants to buy it, let it happen.

Just make sure it is safe, these people get tested regularly, and this business model is taxed.

 

[Blackgravity]

I never understood why it was illegal, guns, drugs(medication) alcohol are legal to buy and 1000x more dangerous, females should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, it makes no sense to be able to participate in porn, sell the porn and have porn conventions but prostitution is illegal...
I believe it's "illegal" because white people are not regulating it and making money from it.

 

[GwynShivers]

I never understood why it was illegal, guns, drugs(medication) alcohol are legal to buy and 1000x more dangerous, females should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, it makes no sense to be able to participate in porn, sell the porn and have porn conventions but prostitution is illegal...
I believe it's "illegal" because white people are not regulating it and making money from it.

BINGO! Anything they can't compensate from, they abolish. 💯