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The Harder they Fall

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When I was a kid, my mom bought me some Black history comic books. One of them was about Black cowboys and told the stories of Nat Love, Bill Pickett, and Cherokee Bill.
It was so cool seeing those three legendary Black cowboys paid homage in this movie. If there's ever a dvd or blu-ray version released, I'll definitely add it next to "Posse" in my collection.
This was a fun, action packed movie that I'll definitely watch again!
 

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Not watching it because of this

I get it, but Cherokee Bill (Lakeith Stansfield's charachter) & Nat Love (Johnathan Majors's character) were much lighter skinned in real life.
Also, the 2 other female leads were brown skinned, and got more screen time than Zazie.
Don't let false outrage stop you from seeing a very Black & very dope movie.
 

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Damn good movie, It would be fantastic if Netflix picked up the series to tie up loose ends.
Was Rufus telling the truth?
One cool thing about the movie is that any of the main characters could have a solo spin off movie as a sequel or a prequel.
I think a movie about either Trudy, Cherokee Bill, or Bass Reeves would be especially dope!
 

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    Just finished the movie. It was a solid movie, I liked it a lot. My only criticism is the set's. They looked too new, too clean, some of the props too, like the mattress and pillow in the jail cell, they looked brand new.
    The story was good, action was good, the camera work was pretty dope, did some things I never seen before.
    I hope they make more westerns with all black cast, I enjoyed it.
     

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    Way too violent for no reason. Like that scene with Idris Elba beating wiley character. If you enjoy that kinda stuff there's something wrong with you.
    It started off violent too. My lady didn’t want to watch it for that reason. After the first scene, then the church, then the shoot she was through.
     

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    It started off violent too. My lady didn’t want to watch it for that reason. After the first scene, then the church, then the shoot she was through.
    Right? Reminded me of Quentin Tarantino's movies. Nothing but gratuitous black on black violence. Not much different than hood movies like Menace to Society.
     

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    Right? Reminded me of Quentin Tarantino's movies. Nothing but gratuitous black on black violence. Not much different than hood movies like Menace to Society.

    It started off hardcore. The killing of the husband and wife in front of the son, the murder scene in the church, and the shoot out holy shit it was an onslaught of violence. It was the same with Squid Game…it’s almost like the people that make this crap get high off it. I barely even play violent video games anymore…definitely aint got time for a call of duty.
     

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    It started off hardcore. The killing of the husband and wife in front of the son, the murder scene in the church, and the shoot out holy ish it was an onslaught of violence. It was the same with Squid Game…it’s almost like the people that make this crap get high off it. I barely even play violent video games anymore…definitely aint got time for a call of duty.
    It's like people are so thirsty for black representativity they'll accept everything.
    With that being said this scene was dope though.

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    I don’t think it has anything to do with Blackness. American culture is violent so this is part for the course.
    Yes i agree but moviemakers can decide the level of violence they'll expose the viewer. There's a reason movies like Goodbye Uncle Tom from 1972 are not popular.
     

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    Yes i agree but moviemakers can decide the level of violence they'll expose the viewer. There's a reason movies like Goodbye Uncle Tom from 1972 are not popular.
    Goodbye Uncle Tom was a low budget Italian film with no mainstream US actors. It wasn't given a wide release in the US. Also, it's only mediocre as a film.
    There are many domestic movies from the same time period that are violent yet popular. In fact, the iconic Texas Chainsaw Massacre was released only two years later.
    Mandingo was also released around the same time, and is a Blaxploitation classic.
     

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    Goodbye Uncle Tom was a low budget Italian film with no mainstream US actors. It wasn't given a wide release in the US. Also, it's only mediocre as a film.
    There are many domestic movies from the same time period that are violent yet popular. In fact, the iconic Texas Chainsaw Massacre was released only two years later.
    Mandingo was also released around the same time, and is a Blaxploitation classic.
    None of these movies are as explicit as Goodbye Uncle Tom. You're right about it not having a decent release.
    At the end of the day violent movies bring nothing positive to society.
     

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    None of these movies are as explicit as Goodbye Uncle Tom. You're right about it not having a decent release.
    At the end of the day violent movies bring nothing positive to society.
    The most explicit thing about GUT was a baby's genitals being exposed. The TCM alone had more violence and gore. Incedentally, City of God, which is my favorite Brazilian movie, is more violent than GUT.
    Saying that violent movies bring nothing positive to society is your opinion, and I can respect that, but it's not necessarily factual.
     

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    The most explicit thing about GUT was a baby's genitals being exposed. The TCM alone had more violence and gore. Incedentally, City of God, which is my favorite Brazilian movie, is more violent than GUT.
    Saying that violent movies bring nothing positive to society is your opinion, and I can respect that, but it's not necessarily factual.

    How and why watching violence affects us​



    “The research shows that exposure to violent media increases aggressive thoughts,” says Brad J. Bushman, a professor of communication at Ohio State University who studies the causes, consequences and solutions to human aggression and violence. “It increases angry feelings. It increases physiological arousal, like heart rate and blood pressure.” Plus, he says, watching violent TV “decreases feelings of empathy and compassion for others. It makes people numb to the pain and suffering of others, which researchers call desensitization, and it decreases pro-social behaviors like helping others, cooperation and sharing things.”


    Even brief exposure to media violence can increase aggressive thinking and behavior, Bushman says, but the consequences worsen with duration. “It’s kind of like smoking cigarettes,” he says. “Probably smoking one won’t give you lung cancer, but it will still harm you, and every cigarette has a cumulative effect over time.”

     

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    I thought you rejected science, yet here you are presenting a scientific study. jamesearljones

    Anyway, maybe some movie director is planning a blockbuster action film where the heroes and villains will hold hands, eat salads, and brush each other's hair instead of fighting.
    rolleyes
    i don't reject science when it's done the right way quincyjonescool
     

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    Just got done with the movie, and I gotta say I really enjoyed it. I did see a lot of western cliches, but I still had fun. There seems to be an opening for possible sequels as well, so I am psyched about that.

    Just finished the movie. It was a solid movie, I liked it a lot. My only criticism is the set's. They looked too new, too clean, some of the props too, like the mattress and pillow in the jail cell, they looked brand new.
    The story was good, action was good, the camera work was pretty dope, did some things I never seen before.
    I hope they make more westerns with all black cast, I enjoyed it.
    I felt the same way, but I kinda forgot about it as I continued to watch.
    Way too violent for no reason. Like that scene with Idris Elba beating wiley character. If you enjoy that kinda stuff there's something wrong with you.
    I think that was mainly in regards to the main bad guy in the movie. I felt like he was violent for the purpose of being violent. They wanted to show he was ruthless and didn't care about anyone. Yet the main star of the movie, was willing to let people live instead. Which I think is why the violence was a key factor. It shows the main protagonist as someone trustworthy, capable and isn't some murderous monster.

    Of course, they still shoot a lot of people in this movie, so my point is probably pointless. But still, I think it made sense for the movie to show how evil the main villain is, and how much more forgiving the main character is. Essentially, good vs evil.