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    Why not ask them what they have tangibly done for black LGBT? If BLM for example, is a black LGBT organization, what have they done for black LGBT specifically? Do they not think reparations for them is the best thing that can happen to solve their problems? And if it is good for them, isn't it good for all of FBA?

    It seems to me that if black LGBT can be used against black people as a whole, the reverse is also true. If the CBC wants to close the LGBT wealth gap, should they not be asked what they want to do to close the wealth gap between white LGBT and black LGBT?

    Of course, the answer to these questions is nothing. They have not done nor do they want to do anything for black LGBT specifically. Why? Because it opens the door to conversation about doing things specifically for black people as a whole. This appears to me to be an easy way to expose them to black LGBT and drive the conversation back to FBA as a whole. The path of least resistance, "yes and" instead of "no".

    Reminds me of the famous Kamala Harris interview: "… I'm going to do something that's only gonna benefit black people, no." In the same breath, she says "Any policy that benefits black people, benefits all of society."
    So by her own logic, Reparations for FBA benefits all of society. She's not trying to but logically, she is saying she's not going to do anything that only benefits black people because it's literally impossible. Using her own words, it is illogical for her to not be for Reparations. She is defeated by her own words.

    I think that's typical, Obama did the same thing in some interview I saw: he made a case in the negative regarding tangibles for black people but his conclusion was completely illogical if anything he presented to come to his conclusion was taken into account. And nobody said anything. He, just like her, said something that made absolutely no sense and the interviewer just moved on.

    Even critics don't point it out. Kamala just made the case FOR Reparations but no one ever points that out when they bring up this clip.

    This seems unrelated (maybe) to the original topic, but it points to the same thing: I believe in our resistance, we sometimes overlook inroads to our point the opposition themselves have made for us. We overlook the "anything they say (or do) can be used against them."
     

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    At the end of the day, they don’t want a crumb falling on our plate as Black people regardless of religion, sexual preference, etc. They use divide and conquer to destabilize us which is why there are subgroups like “Black LGBT“, “Black Women” etc. They make those subgroups feel like they are special and separate from the main group and then have us fighting one another. In the end, we all end up with nothing.
     

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    At the end of the day, they don’t want a crumb falling on our plate as Black people regardless of religion, sexual preference, etc. They use divide and conquer to destabilize us which is why there are subgroups like “Black LGBT“, “Black Women” etc. They make those subgroups feel like they are special and separate from the main group and then have us fighting one another. In the end, we all end up with nothing.
    Agreed, but I think the divide and conquer only works if we participate. They need both sides of the divide to agree there is a divide. If we say "no, it's not about black LGBT or black women, it's about black people," ironically, we are agreeing with the divide they have made.

    But if we say "yes black LGBT or yes black women AND what have you tangibly done specifically for these groups" we don't start with a negative that can be twisted as being anti-them.

    Ask them, "why do you feel special", "what have they done for you?" The answer can only be "nothing". So it makes the people that are attempting to make them feel special look bad instead of us.
     

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    Agreed, but I think the divide and conquer only works if we participate. They need both sides of the divide to agree there is a divide. If we say "no, it's not about black LGBT or black women, it's about black people," ironically, we are agreeing with the divide they have made.

    But if we say "yes black LGBT or yes black women AND what have you tangibly done specifically for these groups" we don't start with a negative that can be twisted as being anti-them.

    Ask them, "why do you feel special", "what have they done for you?" The answer can only be "nothing". So it makes the people that are attempting to make them feel special look bad instead of us.
    I agree with the bolded and I believe that’s the direction we are headed culturally.
     

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    I agree with the bolded and I believe that’s the direction we are headed culturally.
    There's more than one way to skin a cat.

    Maybe the universal lesson we are learning is we may not be able to get our entire body in the door off rip, we may have to use the foot they themselves allowed in to pry the door open.
     

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    There's more than one way to skin a cat.

    Maybe the universal lesson we are learning is we may not be able to get our entire body in the door off rip, we may have to use the foot they themselves allowed in to pry the door open.
    Yeah as long as that foot is allied to the body and not trying to get through the door and separate.
     

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    Yeah as long as that foot is allied to the body and not trying to get through the door and separate.
    That's how they get us. We believe this is plausible. We believe in the divide, that we can be divided. We only think this could happen, because we believe it would be advantageous for us if we were in their position.

    In other words, it's just a projection.
     

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    Look how much BLM raised and how much they actually gave back to the cities. BLM is a Marxist movement in my eyes. They don't care about bettering black communities. They are using black injustices to pocket money. They are no different than the white rich politicians and people they claim to fight. The LGBT uses black people just the same.
     

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    Why not ask them what they have tangibly done for black LGBT? If BLM for example, is a black LGBT organization, what have they done for black LGBT specifically? Do they not think reparations for them is the best thing that can happen to solve their problems? And if it is good for them, isn't it good for all of FBA?

    It seems to me that if black LGBT can be used against black people as a whole, the reverse is also true. If the CBC wants to close the LGBT wealth gap, should they not be asked what they want to do to close the wealth gap between white LGBT and black LGBT?

    Of course, the answer to these questions is nothing. They have not done nor do they want to do anything for black LGBT specifically. Why? Because it opens the door to conversation about doing things specifically for black people as a whole. This appears to me to be an easy way to expose them to black LGBT and drive the conversation back to FBA as a whole. The path of least resistance, "yes and" instead of "no".

    Reminds me of the famous Kamala Harris interview: "… I'm going to do something that's only gonna benefit black people, no." In the same breath, she says "Any policy that benefits black people, benefits all of society."
    So by her own logic, Reparations for FBA benefits all of society. She's not trying to but logically, she is saying she's not going to do anything that only benefits black people because it's literally impossible. Using her own words, it is illogical for her to not be for Reparations. She is defeated by her own words.

    I think that's typical, Obama did the same thing in some interview I saw: he made a case in the negative regarding tangibles for black people but his conclusion was completely illogical if anything he presented to come to his conclusion was taken into account. And nobody said anything. He, just like her, said something that made absolutely no sense and the interviewer just moved on.

    Even critics don't point it out. Kamala just made the case FOR Reparations but no one ever points that out when they bring up this clip.

    This seems unrelated (maybe) to the original topic, but it points to the same thing: I believe in our resistance, we sometimes overlook inroads to our point the opposition themselves have made for us. We overlook the "anything they say (or do) can be used against them."
    What’s your point in one sentence? I’m not getting it at all.

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