The Cookout

TAILIANNA · 1/9/22

How much money would the black community have if we didnt give up the negro league etc. This seemed cery short sighted and do you think we will see the return or would it be condisedered to racist in this landscape. Also mlk is in a weird place for me i like him. But hes a reverend and i dont see why he wouldnt be al sharrpton now or jon lewis. He called out the democrat white moderates which was cool but he also ecouraged intergration so...

TheHarmattan · 1/10/22

TAILIANNA said:
How much money would the black community have if we didnt give up the negro league etc. This seemed cery short sighted and do you think we will see the return or would it be condisedered to racist in this landscape. Also mlk is in a weird place for me i like him. But hes a reverend and i dont see why he wouldnt be al sharrpton now or jon lewis. He called out the democrat white moderates which was cool but he also ecouraged intergration so...

MLK's heart was in the right place but white supremacists had a card up their sleeve, as always. They let Mandiba out of jail and kept all of the important stuff in order to get out from under international sanctions. The same thing happened here with the Civil Rights Movement.

sourgrapes · 1/10/22

I often wonder about sports in general in America. Most of them, their top athletes are black men and women. I know back in the day, most teams were whiter than the first snow of the season but looking around now, we can clearly see who has more value in sports. I am thankful for what MLK did and he had a heart of gold in many regards but he underestimated how evil people are at the top and the fact that a lot of people who ran the country and still run the country view black people, especially black men, as property still. I can bet you if black leagues stuck around, they would be getting more viewership and money today than a white counterpart.

TheHarmattan · 1/10/22

sourgrapes said:
I often wonder about sports in general in America. Most of them, their top athletes are black men and women. I know back in the day, most teams were whiter than the first snow of the season but looking around now, we can clearly see who has more value in sports. I am thankful for what MLK did and he had a heart of gold in many regards but he underestimated how evil people are at the top and the fact that a lot of people who ran the country and still run the country view black people, especially black men, as property still. I can bet you if black leagues stuck around, they would be getting more viewership and money today than a white counterpart.

I don't know...

Back in the 90s Black College Football was signed with BET only. No other station even tried to buy the viewing rights and it fizzled out quickly...

TAILIANNA · 1/10/22

TheHarmattan said:
I don't know...

Back in the 90s Black College Football was signed with BET only. No other station even tried to buy the viewing rights and it fizzled out quickly...

There was an all black college league?

Jay · 1/10/22

TheHarmattan said:
I don't know...

Back in the 90s Black College Football was signed with BET only. No other station even tried to buy the viewing rights and it fizzled out quickly...

Yooooooo you took me back. See this would work if the Black talent went exclusively or mostly to HBCUs. But if they are like “I want to go to USC or Alabama” then the BCF product is gonna be wack.

TheHarmattan · 1/10/22

TAILIANNA said:
There was an all black college league?

I was talking about the TV rights to broadcast HBCU games on cable television.

TheHarmattan · 1/10/22

Jay said:
Yooooooo you took me back. See this would work if the Black talent went exclusively or mostly to HBCUs. But if they are like “I want to go to USC or Alabama” then the BCF product is gonna be wack.

Yeah, I had to catch Alcorn State back in the day. Those were some good days.
Yeah, it was strategic the way BET and Black football were sidelined.

Having the talent concentrated isn't the key IMHO. Think of it differently. If I told you right now to give up all of Apple products because we Blacks need to put our money in other platforms. Would you do it? I respect an answer you give, because, in the end, it's your choice.

TheHarmattan · 1/10/22

Jay said:
Yooooooo you took me back. See this would work if the Black talent went exclusively or mostly to HBCUs. But if they are like “I want to go to USC or Alabama” then the BCF product is gonna be wack.

I had to edit my last post to make it clear.

Rollie Forbes · 1/10/22

TheHarmattan said:
I don't know...

Back in the 90s Black College Football was signed with BET only. No other station even tried to buy the viewing rights and it fizzled out quickly...

Black College Football is on Aspire TV now.

TheHarmattan · 1/10/22

Rollie Forbes said:
Black College Football is on Aspire TV now.

I have never even heard of Aspire.tv

Thanks.

Rollie Forbes · 1/10/22

TheHarmattan said:
I have never even heard of Aspire.tv

Thanks.

It's a Black owned cable channel, check it out!

TheHarmattan · 1/10/22

Rollie Forbes said:
It's a Black owned cable channel, check it out!

I haven't had cable since forever.

If I have to give one penny to Telemundo, I'd trash the whole thing.

I'm not joking.

Rollie Forbes · 1/10/22

TheHarmattan said:
I haven't had cable since forever.

If I have to give one penny to Telemundo, I'd trash the whole thing.

I'm not joking.

Except for internet service, I don't have cable, either. #CordCutter

The Honorable · 1/11/22

Rollie Forbes said:
Black College Football is on Aspire TV now.

TheHarmattan said:
I have never even heard of Aspire.tv

Thanks.

Rollie Forbes said:
It's a Black owned cable channel, check it out!

When Comcast bought NBC, Congress mandated that Comcast give channels to 6 “minority” business owners. P. Diddy and Magic Johnson were 2 of the 6 selected, Puff made Revolt and Magic Johnson made Aspire. They are “compliance“ channels so to speak.

sourgrapes · 1/11/22

TheHarmattan said:
I don't know...

Back in the 90s Black College Football was signed with BET only. No other station even tried to buy the viewing rights and it fizzled out quickly...

I was way too young to know about this. I will have to look into it more. What I said was in reference to how these black men (and women) are idolized and valued by not only members of the black community, but even by white people. Maybe this black league came too soon?

TheHarmattan · 1/11/22

sourgrapes said:
I was way too young to know about this. I will have to look into it more. What I said was in reference to how these black men (and women) are idolized and valued by not only members of the black community, but even by white people. Maybe this black league came too soon?

Whites have created a white victimhood mentality within their community for a Black league to take hold and thrive today. I hope I'm reading you right...

TheHarmattan · 1/11/22

The Honorable said:
When Comcast bought NBC, Congress mandated that Comcast give channels to 6 “minority” business owners. P. Diddy and Magic Johnson were 2 of the 6 selected, Puff made Revolt and Magic Johnson made Aspire. They are “compliance“ channels so to speak.

So, only six?

2 for black, 2 for Latin, 2 for Asian?

I bet Arabs will be wanting two, too

TheHarmattan · 1/11/22

sourgrapes said:
I was way too young to know about this. I will have to look into it more. What I said was in reference to how these black men (and women) are idolized and valued by not only members of the black community, but even by white people. Maybe this black league came too soon?

I just saw this. If I was for hire, I need fools to start paying my taxes, too!

mjlol

Unhappy with his role on a rebuilding Celtics team, in August 1995, Wilkins joined Panathinaikos of the Greek League, signing a two-year contract worth US$7 million that meant a US$3.5 million net sum per year in salary.[9][10][11] The club further provided him with a four-story, marbled villa of his choosing, a maid, two cars, and even paid his Greek taxes for him.
Dominique Wilkins

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

TheHarmattan said:
Whites have created a white victimhood mentality within their community for a Black league to take hold and thrive today. I hope I'm reading you right...

solid point, do you think that pointing out the inequality of the black race would be a good argument if they tried that. point out the failure of integration and the desire to follow malcolm Xs vision. Also how much blame to you all put on people like jackie robinson who were so easily poached into the white leagues, people talk about him as a hero but I think X would disagree with that.

Red Velvet · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
solid point, do you think that pointing out the inequality of the black race would be a good argument if they tried that. point out the failure of integration and the desire to follow malcolm Xs vision. Also how much blame to you all put on people like jackie robinson who were so easily poached into the white leagues, people talk about him as a hero but I think X would disagree with that.

We don’t need their permission we just need to support it. Black people have a “white man’s ice is colder” mentality which is why many of these ventures fail. The Negro Leagues was sustainable until Jackie Robinson then negroes start abandoning our thing.

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

Red Velvet said:
We don’t need their permission we just need to support it. Black people have a “white man’s ice is colder” mentality which is why many of these ventures fail. The Negro Leagues was sustainable until Jackie Robinson then negroes start abandoning our thing.

Thats a fact sis, but i think his point was there white fragility would cause them to demonize and maybe try to shut it down as racist. Or try to change what it was and the reason it was invented in the first place. If nothing else it would open up a interesting conversation as they try to shut down critical race theory aka actual history.

Red Velvet · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
Thats a fact sis, but i think his point was there white fragility would cause them to demonize and maybe try to shut it down as racist. Or try to change what it was and the reason it was invented in the first place. If nothing else it would open up a interesting conversation as they try to shut down critical race theory aka actual history.

I hear you and it will always be an issue which is why we have to support each other with fervor and keep a:

If they try to destroy what we build we have to make sure there is a consequence.

TheHarmattan · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
solid point, do you think that pointing out the inequality of the black race would be a good argument if they tried that. point out the failure of integration and the desire to follow malcolm Xs vision. Also how much blame to you all put on people like jackie robinson who were so easily poached into the white leagues, people talk about him as a hero but I think X would disagree with that.

White people are some of the most evil beings that you can come into contact with. Trying to make them see is a lost cause; you'd be wasting your time.

Robinson loved baseball and he wanted to play with the top players and it paid better. What more can I say.

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

TheHarmattan said:
White people are some of the most evil beings that you can come into contact with. Trying to make them see is a lost cause; you'd be wasting your time.

Robinson loved baseball and he wanted to play with the top players and it paid better. What more can I say.

sounds sell out to me styl, but i dont know the whole story.

TheHarmattan · 1/11/22

Red Velvet said:
We don’t need their permission we just need to support it. Black people have a “white man’s ice is colder” mentality which is why many of these ventures fail. The Negro Leagues was sustainable until Jackie Robinson then negroes start abandoning our thing.

If we are activist then the support is easy to come by. I can even prove it to you right now:
I want you to wipe your computer and install FreeBSD on it, in order for the Black community to have free and open source software. FreeBSD is actually free. I costs nothing but your time. I'll do it for you. So what to you say?

People are going to go where the money is. Some NBA players are making more than 100 million. Here we are, no NBA skills, asking them to play for $10,000 a game?

Are you serious?

TheHarmattan · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
sounds sell out to me styl, but i dont know the whole story.

I don't know the whole story but in a capitalist system, if you can make more money, you usually do.
Unless you just love the game that much

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

TheHarmattan said:
I don't know the whole story but in a capitalist system, if you can make more money, you usually do.
Unless you just love the game that much

i mean by that logic isnt that condoning house nigga shyt. i mean thats like during slavery i rat on someone who ran away because thats the best thing for me to do in the system. And ya i dont think we should be paying people billions to play a game or sing a song while half of us are homeless and starving. Especially not if there going to do house nigga shyt.

TheHarmattan · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
i mean by that logic isnt that condoning house nigga shyt. i mean thats like during slavery i rat on someone who ran away because thats the best thing for me to do in the system. And ya i dont think we should be paying people billions to playa game or sing a song especially not if there going to do house nigga shyt.

I'm not condoning anything. I see Robinson as just a player. We created the politics behind it.
Jackie wasn't trying to lead a Civil Rights movement with his baseball skills.

Jay · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
i mean by that logic isnt that condoning house nigga shyt. i mean thats like during slavery i rat on someone who ran away because thats the best thing for me to do in the system. And ya i dont think we should be paying people billions to play a game or sing a song while half of us are homeless and starving. Especially not if there going to do house nigga shyt.

You have to give people an alternative. I can't tell people to quit Twitter without 6ZEROS.

I also can't tell them to quit Twitter if their reach on 6ZEROS is 700 people and on twitter it's millions. You have to think of it holistically to make the change.

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

TheHarmattan said:
I'm not condoning anything. I see Robinson as just a player. We created the politics behind it.
Jackie wasn't trying to lead a Civil Rights movement with his baseball skills.

im not saying you are im just saying isnt that the same logic. i mean i guess u right thats not his job but i dont think we should be calling him a hero. I guess its up for debate.

Rollie Forbes · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
sounds sell out to me styl, but i dont know the whole story.

I was just about to say that. Jackie Robinson was definitely not a sellout.

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

Rollie Forbes said:
I was just about to say that. Jackie Robinson was definitely not a sellout.

well id love to hear your analysis because the way i see it is this era had malcom x gang and mlk gang. Malcolm was strongly against integration on white terms. So this puts him in the MLK camp. This was during jim crow and mass inequality. It looks to me like he and the others seen the grass was greener on the other side. Also he had to know that the negroleague losing their best players was going to hurt it. this would effect the black economy via commercials advertising merchandise revenue etc.

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYuJ1lddJfQ

Rollie Forbes · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
well id love to hear your analysis because the way i see it is this era had malcom x gang and mlk gang. Malcolm was strongly against integration on white terms. So this puts him in the MLK camp. This was during jim crow and mass inequality. It looks to me like he and the others seen the grass was greener on the other side. Also he had to know that the negroleague losing their best players was going to hurt it. this would effect the black economy via commercials advertising merchandise revenue etc.

Mr. Robinson was already playing major league baseball over a decade before Dr. King & Min. Malcolm started their movements. Mr. Robinson was a whole generation before them. Also, even though Jackie Robinson helped intgrate sports, his social philosophy for Black Americans was more in line with the "do for self" ideology of the NOI (no, he wasn't a muslim). Jackie Robinson had a B1 mindset.
By the way, your views on Dr. King and Malcolm X seem limited also, respectfully. By the end of his life, Dr. King's views on integration were changing (read his later books, including "Why We Can't Wait"), and Malcolm's views on white people changed during his hadj (read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X"). Our brothers were not the single-faceted men that you may think they were.
I would suggest that before you ask me or somebody else to discuss our heroes with you, you do some research on them. Instead of getting us to simply educate you, you can come to the table with knowledge and we can build.

Jay · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
well id love to hear your analysis because the way i see it is this era had malcom x gang and mlk gang. Malcolm was strongly against integration on white terms. So this puts him in the MLK camp. This was during jim crow and mass inequality. It looks to me like he and the others seen the grass was greener on the other side. Also he had to know that the negroleague losing their best players was going to hurt it. this would effect the black economy via commercials advertising merchandise revenue etc.

Yo, I'm not trying to start drama but this reads like a post from someone who is not connected to the subject matter at all. It reads like you've read a book or two in the past and are trying to queue up the little parts that you can remember. Some of the sentences read as if you're trying to convince yourself that what you're saying is accurate. It seems very inauthentic. You may be attempting to connect and I feel that but we are all about Black Empowerment so connect with us in the Black Empowerment spheres that you are more grounded in. Teach us that.

Rollie Forbes · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYuJ1lddJfQ

Whomever put this together chopped our history all up and put together this misleading video.
If you want to learn about Black American history, turn off YouTube, and pick up a book.

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

Rollie Forbes said:
Mr. Robinson was already playing major league baseball over a decade before Dr. King & Min. Malcolm started their movements. Mr. Robinson was a whole generation before them. Also, even though Jackie Robinson helped intgrate sports, his social philosophy for Black Americans was more in line with the "do for self" ideology of the NOI (no, he wasn't a muslim). Jackie Robinson had a B1 mindset.
By the way, your views on Dr. King and Malcolm X seem limited also, respectfully. By the end of his life, Dr. King's views on integration were changing (read his later books, including "Why We Can't Wait"), and Malcolm's views on white people changed during his hadj (read "The Autobiography of Malcolm X"). Our brothers were not the single-faceted men that you may think they were.
I would suggest that before you ask me or somebody else to discuss our heroes with you, you do some research on them. Instead of getting us to simply educate you, you can come to the table with knowledge and we can build.

i mean im just tryna learn and the best way to do that i find is clashing perspectives feel free not to respond. But isnt the B1 mind state whats best for the race not the individual?

TAILIANNA · 1/11/22

Rollie Forbes said:
Whomever put this together chopped our history all up and put together this misleading video.
If you want to learn about Black American history, turn off YouTube, and pick up a book.

i cant really read for real, i can handle like a paragraph of words but in a book all the words run together. appreciate it though ^^

Rollie Forbes · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
i mean im just tryna learn and the best way to do that i find is clashing perspectives feel free not to respond. But isnt the B1 mind state whats best for the race not the individual?

If you truly want to learn about OUR history, then start with the books I recommended. YouTube isn't the answer, neither is Wikipedia, neither is "clashing perspectives". History isn't about clashing perspectives, it's about realizing viewpoints.
READ, then BUILD.

Rollie Forbes · 1/11/22

TAILIANNA said:
i cant really read for real, i can handle like a paragraph of words but in a book all the words run together. appreciate it though ^^

All good. Just trying to help.

GwynShivers · 1/12/22

TAILIANNA said:
There was an all black college league?

sourgrapes · 1/12/22

TheHarmattan said:
Whites have created a white victimhood mentality within their community for a Black league to take hold and thrive today. I hope I'm reading you right...

Well yeah, there are a lot of white liberals who virtue signal and use black sports players, actors, etc. for "emotional gain" kind of like going to church on Sunday and expecting a pat on the back. Why not try and capitalize off it? I mean so long as what is made is black run and owned, f em right? lol

TAILIANNA · 1/12/22

These all black college football teams are recent or before segregation?

Rollie Forbes · 1/12/22

TAILIANNA said:
These all black college football teams are recent or before segregation?

Here in the States, we have Black colleges and universities. Most of them currently have athletic programs, just like primarily white institutions. It's no more unusual than the University of Toronto or Peking University having athletic programs.

Rollie Forbes · 1/12/22

GwynShivers You only listed one CIAA school.

GwynShivers · 1/12/22

Rollie Forbes said:
GwynShivers You only listed one CIAA school.
View attachment 1497

My bad, I thought I listed at least 20.

GwynShivers · 1/12/22

sourgrapes said:
Well yeah, there are a lot of white liberals who virtue signal and use black sports players, actors, etc. for "emotional gain" kind of like going to church on Sunday and expecting a pat on the back. Why not try and capitalize off it? I mean so long as what is made is black run and owned, f em right? lol

Back in the day, black colleges thrived. Now, there a thing of the past. That list reflects how black college life was. Clark-Atlanta University, Spellman, Morehouse, etc.

GwynShivers · 1/12/22

TAILIANNA said:
These all black college football teams are recent or before segregation?

Before segregation.

TAILIANNA · 1/12/22

Rollie Forbes said:
Here in the States, we have Black colleges and universities. Most of them currently have athletic programs, just like primarily white institutions. It's no more unusual than the University of Toronto or Peking University having athletic programs.

Ya but historically black dosent mean all black

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