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CAN'T JUST DEFEND EVERYONE

MR-D-ROB

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    I have come to typically feel a lot of left leaning channels especially on YouTube such as Indisputable with Rashad Richey need to rethink their strategy.

    If a police officer arrests and uses force in the process of an arrest and the guy turns out to be a drug dealer my opinion is don't defend these people. They are criminals.

    We can't just defend every person simply on the basis that they are black. By all means police need to make arrests in a civil manner and not use excessive force. I'm not arguing against that.

    However people shouldn't be dealing, using or in anyway involved with illegal drugs.

    I just have a hard time defending anyone who puts themselves in that situation. My reason is it paints a negative stereotype of all black people.

    If you do drugs, deal drugs and then the police shows to arrest you and you run, resist and aren't compliant then you get what you get.

    By defending these criminals it weakens the argument when we need to defend someone like Philando Castile, George Floyd and John Crawford whom were completely innocent of any crime and were murdered nevertheless.

    We can't just defend every person the way that Rashad Richey does. If they are guilty of a crime they need to be arrested and if they resist and it turns out badly then the consequences are what are.
     
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    I have come to typically feel a lot of left leaning channels especially on YouTube such as Indisputable with Rashad Richey need to rethink their strategy.

    If a police officer arrests and uses force in the process of an arrest and the guy turns out to be a drug dealer my opinion is don't defend these people. They are criminals.

    We can't just defend every person simply on the basis that they are black. By all means police need to make arrests in a civil manner and not use excessive force. I'm not arguing against that.

    However people shouldn't be dealing, using or in anyway involved with illegal drugs.

    I just have a hard time defending anyone who puts themselves in that situation. My reason is it paints a negative stereotype of all black people.

    If you do drugs, deal drugs and then the police shows to arrest you and you run, resist and aren't compliant then you get what you get.

    By defending these criminals it weakens the argument when we need to defend someone like Philando Castile, George Floyd and John Crawford whom were completely innocent of any crime and were murdered nevertheless.

    We can't just defend every person the way that Rashad Richey does. If they are guilty of a crime they need to be arrested and if they resist and it turns out badly then the consequences are what are.
    I agree with much of this. We have to do better as a people of using discernment.
     

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    I have come to typically feel a lot of left leaning channels especially on YouTube such as Indisputable with Rashad Richey need to rethink their strategy.

    If a police officer arrests and uses force in the process of an arrest and the guy turns out to be a drug dealer my opinion is don't defend these people. They are criminals.

    We can't just defend every person simply on the basis that they are black. By all means police need to make arrests in a civil manner and not use excessive force. I'm not arguing against that.

    However people shouldn't be dealing, using or in anyway involved with illegal drugs.

    I just have a hard time defending anyone who puts themselves in that situation. My reason is it paints a negative stereotype of all black people.

    If you do drugs, deal drugs and then the police shows to arrest you and you run, resist and aren't compliant then you get what you get.

    By defending these criminals it weakens the argument when we need to defend someone like Philando Castile, George Floyd and John Crawford whom were completely innocent of any crime and were murdered nevertheless.

    We can't just defend every person the way that Rashad Richey does. If they are guilty of a crime they need to be arrested and if they resist and it turns out badly then the consequences are what are.
    This is all good until they pass a law that makes you a criminal and then now no one is speaking for you when the police are heavy-handed with you. I get it that we shouldn't cast a wide net but at the same time no matter what someone is doing, the police need to exercise restraint.

    White dudes will shoot a whole church up with a semi-automatic weapon and somehow be taken alive by the police but I'm supposed to look the other way when they're beating up a Black dude just because he is selling weed?

    What if that Black man is selling weed because the Crime Bill written by Joe Biden and signed by Bill Clinton locked him up, gave him a felony, and now he can't find skilled work because of his record and can't find a warehouse or construction job because they're filled with a bunch of immigrants?

    It's not as Black and White and who cares if it stereotypes us...they stereotyped us when we are all in suits with conks.
     
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    Explain to one specific thing that would force someone where they have no other choice but to deal drugs or use drugs?

    It can be something related to white supremacy. That's fine. It just has to be iron clad that they have no other options but to be involved with illegal drugs.

    *** Having a felony record isn't an option simply because you had to do something to get the felony to begin with.
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    MR-D-ROB your argument is a fallacy because it assumes that someone cannot be influenced or conditioned towards a specific set of behaviors. No one forces anyone to buy McDonald's that's why they run a bunch of commercials to influence you to buy McDonald's. The conditions created in the inner-city where there was a lack of resources, lack of opportunity, lack of good education created an environment where drug use was more likely to occur.

    Hence why I have never done a drug but people I know have...not all of us were influence but MANY were. The problem with it all is the fact that for decades a White person could get busted with 500g of cocaine and get less time than a Black person with crack cocaine. The government knows that everyone uses drugs...White people use more drugs that Black people could ever imagine BUT THE SYSTEM DOES NOT PROSECUTE THEM.

    White people are hooked on opiods all across the USA and there is no War on Drugs against them. There is no wide scale mobilization of law enforcement to go after them and it's because they are White. The police are heavy handed with Black people and there is no excuse for it.
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    So your argument is that black people were brainwashed into doing drugs??

    In the first post the argument was that education, jobs and the like don't matter. Now in this post lack of jobs, education and such opportunities lead to no choice but to do drugs.

    Which is it?

    I don't care that white people use drugs. I don't care that they aren't prosecuted for it. It DOES NOT excuse nor does it justify black people using drugs.

    We live in a country that hates us, does everything it can to sabotage us and hold us back.

    So what though. Work you ass off twice as hard to overcome these obstacles. Go around the obstacles. If option A doesn't work then try B and if that doesn't work try C.

    What you don't do is fall for the obvious trap and do drugs.

    I get that some people use weed as a form of relaxation and fun. We're black you can't make that choice. That's not an option for us. Find another method of entertainment and relaxation.

    There isn't anything you're going to say that will make me excuse drug use by a black person. We have seen the consequences. We know we're more likely to be prosecuted and given longer sentences. We know police will escalate a situation especially if drugs are involved.

    I think my wife had it right when she said "Don't put yourself in that situation."

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    Gotta remember the souls (and there are many) that have gone to prison and were innocent...

    ... some have always maintained their innocence, some have met justice (after doing a 15-20+ bids) , some have never met justice ...

    .. in those cases, Bro, the people that went to prison, never broke the law ...

    Per statistics, most arrests in the US are of white ppl ... yet there are more blacks in jail ... somebody is exploiting the system, banking on the fact that no one will care about the innocents, jump to conclusions that "the black man did it" ...

    ... harsher sentences have been the status quo ...

    We all know the devices here ... things haven't changed in x amount of years ... "3/5ths" ... "the great betrayal" ... its a part of the plan ...

    Crime is crime, no matter who commits it... but punishment, I feel has always been unequal ... no excuses, but some ppl have the support system and others don't ...

    ... we had a support system ...

    ... it could have easily been the other way around, and I could have been one of the innocents ...
     

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    "Innocent until proven guilty" should mean something. Too many of us are considered "guilty" the minute we come out of the womb.....! Everything wrong with this system comes back to White Supremacy. Until we stop working as individuals and start doing the collective work we'll remain vulnerable to this evil system. ✊🏿💯
     

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    I won't defend Blacks who create their own issue. That said, white people use those situations to justify the murder of Tamir Rice, Philandro Castille, and the rest. The whole one big negro thing.

    I have seen comments in articles on Yahoo or where ever where a black guy helps his own police abuse and white people in the comments section use it to suggest this is the typical white cop/black man encounter.

    It's the 'what about' isms. The coons do as well.
     

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    I'm not hearing any of the usual bullshit.
    But white supremacy. But the system. But the man...

    But my ass.

    Don't do drugs. Don't deal drugs.

    If you do then deal with the consequences. That simple.
     
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    Choosing to be a Dope head or harming your own community would be considered off code behavior.....so that's the exception not the rule because there are more of us who work hard than those of us who give in to the street vices.

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    It's a crooked system, I know .. Imagine how many other cases are like this (now compounded that over 50+ years, with all the jurisdictions, crooked everything, etc) ...

    I know you know, but It's not cut-and dry Bro ...

     
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    That's misleading.
    One the judge was wrong. I believe he ended up getting in trouble over this.

    However the children again had to do something wrong to end up in front of a corrupt judge.

    Personal responsibility. Don't put yourself in those situations.

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    I'm not hearing any of the usual bullshit.
    But white supremacy. But the system. But the man...

    But my ass.

    Don't do drugs. Don't deal drugs.

    If you do then deal with the consequences. That simple.
    You’re hearing what you want to hear. The CIA is the largest drug dealer in the USA war are your thoughts on that?
     
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    Y'all keep going back to what other people are doing.

    I don't care.

    It all boils back down to personal responsibility.

    So what if the CIA is putting drugs in the community or anywhere else. If you don't get involved with that then you can't be charged with it.

    Aside from being framed and that's not what's usually happening!

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    So you're just turning a blind eye to those who are at literal war with our people 🤔 there are ways to manipulate people into doing things they wouldn't normally do,and we're dealing with the masters of manipulation when we're talking about the CIA/FBI....just saying sometimes in life choices are made for us.
     

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    In this entire exchange I think it’s important to highlight that there is a difference between “talking to” Black people and “talking at” Black people.

    Talking to Black people requires one to listen to Black people, understand their concerns, respect the concern and then responding with the additional context.

    Talking at Black peoples is when you push an agenda regardless of what the Black people you’re conversing with think.

    The point in saying this is that talking at Black people will never be an effective way to galvanize the people.

    Yelling “you negroes gotta do better” while refusing to validate their legitimate issues and struggles navigating a society that sees them as little more than animals is not effective and can come off as antagonistic.

    Of course Black people need to do better and not make excuses but they have to do that in a society that is waiting for them to do better and then find a way to destroy the “better”. When you remove that context your message loses credibility because it doesn’t mesh with Black people’s lived experience.
     
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    MR-D-ROB
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    This is the issue that people such as Candace Owens, Brandon Tatum and the like have with the pro black movement. This is what leads to individuals just throwing their hands up and saying F it.
    Everything no matter what and no matter how illogical gets blamed on white supremacy and the system. The argument goes way too far.

    The argument extends to a point where our hand is overplayed. We're acting as if we have a royal flush when it's actually just a pair of 3's.

    That's what leads to people saying that systemic racism doesn't exist. Blaming white supremacy on a person who gets best up by the police when he gets pulled over, has an odor of weed in the car, is asked to get out and refuses and then even the police go to arrest him he resists. That's insanity. It's not white supremacy. It's a criminal being arrested.

    Blaming white supremacy on a person who drops out of high school gets a low paying job and ends up in debt but complains about not being able to get a house. It's not white supremacy. It's bad decisions. ( I'll grant that sometimes schools in our areas may not be the best but that's why you work hard to get out of those areas.)

    Blaming everything on white supremacy renders the argument moot. It becomes watered down and meaningless. It just feels like no one is willing to accept even a modicum of self accountability.

    At that point people dismiss the argument altogether as false. And that's because it is if you frame it in that manner.

    There is s to systemic racism. There is systemic oppression. There is sabotage. I just get that not everything and every instance can be blamed on that.

    What you guys are doing is just no matter what the circumstances are going back to saying it is the fault of the system.

    He wouldn't have sold drugs if not for white supremacy.
    He wouldn't have robbed that store if not for white supremacy.
    He wouldn't have dropped out of school if not for white supremacy.


    As if these arguments will stand up in court. You and I both know they will not.

    Honestly it's just stupid and absurd. Grow the F up.

    If you know you live in a racist country then why would you give "the system" any reason to work against you by doing something as idiotic as becoming involved with drugs?

    If you know that then you avoid getting in trouble. Especially when it's something like drugs that you have no reason at all to be involved with. In this day in age there are other ways to feed your family. Uber, Lyft or GrubHub are all decent short term options.

    Getting a CDL, welding certification are good options for those that may not be quite as school savvy.

    Going to school for something like radiology tech or respiratory therapist are great options if you're a bit more comfortable with school. Short term and lots of job opportunities after. Regardless of the problems with discrimination chances are you'll land on your feet.

    But instead of that you guys will sit back and not only support the person dealing drugs in our community. You'll make excuses and blame it all on white supremacy. Fuckin stupid!

    Yet I get talked down to for moving out of the black community. This is why no one wants to stay there. Instead of not supporting the drug dealer you guys fully support their bad behavior. And it's that level of enabling that puts our community in the crapper!

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    Two words:
    Personal responsibility.
    I like you as a poster but you're being obnoxious in here. Niggas really trying to build with you and you keep saying the same thing over and over again. Talking to us like we are fuck ups when a few people I know on here doing better in life than you are and go home to a Black wife.
     
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    Regardless of what race my wife is I am intelligent enough to not make excuses for a drug dealer.
    And that's what being done here. Make no mistakes about it, I think it's pathetic.

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    I won't get into your personal life but I'll give you two more words: (Acknowledgement and Empathy) have a good evening. ✊🏿💯✅️
     
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    I acknowledge that they are criminals.
    I have zero empathy for the criminal behavior.
    I feel bad that they ended up there but it's ultimately their personal responsibility to avoid crime.