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Secure the Tribe vs. the New Black Media
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I don’t like the poster but he pointed out Tariq’s hypocrisy perfectly. He does things and when it’s done back to him then he is crying bloody murder.
Meechee is roasting him again. All Tariq says is that she is a hood rat but she comes with the smoke.
View: https://youtu.be/r32tcZa4Q8o
I wouldn't have doxed anyone like that. Splitting hairs a bit that it wasn't name dropping before the protest. Someone called in doxed him on his given name as well a week or so ago.
The Mechee thing loses a bit because there isn't much new. Casual listeners wouldn't know that but anyone that has listened to him regularly will know his background. It's a quality roast, but its not going to stop anyone from f*cking with if they already have been.
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I don’t think that the Secure The Tribe folks are any more controversial than the below average triflin’ 🆖🅰️ on the street. I believed that they meant well in the beginning of 2022, Reparations/Black Empowerment/etc., but as usual, a little fame given to folks brings out the best or worst character traits that they already have. The youngsters might learn from the error of their ways, but we need to look at this event like a medical triage situation- some are not critically injured enough to receive care & others are too far critically injured & WILL die anyway even if they receive the best care. We must focus of those in whatever is left of STT that are ready to receive the proper B1 message & code. Remember, we’re at war with the system of wh⚪️te supremacy. Everybody that made it into 2022 ain’t gonna make it into 2023. Dr. John Hendrik Clarke already told us to bury the man & carry on with the plan! ✊🏿✌🏿🙏🏿
Just finished listening... Lots of truth spoken and the last 10 minutes definitely hit the hardest. We'll see who's still about the work once the smoke clears and in the years to come.
I assume Tariq went after her over some perceived slight, real or unreal, if you put his name in your mouth negatively or perceived negatively, he may clap back. As I've said before, no one is above criticism. No one. But...having said that, you already know going in how its going to be if he, TBA or others with much bigger platforms clap back.
I took it upon myself to see her videos and she is about calling out white supremacy. That alone, makes me wish her the best. Tariq is the heavyweight in this space and it usually amounts to whomever has the biggest support 'wins' or at least, doesn't get canceled. You need new information, very damning information.
It's fairly well documented, a lot of by Tariq himself of his background. It will only be a surprise to those who don't know his background. I recall some non FBA chatrooms talking about his background. I'm thinking 'So what? Who cares? It only matters if Tariq's supporters want it to matter'
You can point out all kinds of things about Trump to hardcore MAGAs and they really don't care.
As for the Secure The Tribe, my advice is this. If you want to do something that even if you pour your heart and soul into it for a specific people and they frustrate you to no end, leave you feeling completely under-appreciated, and very little financial reward in on average, then try convincing black people to fight white supremacy with you. I guarantee you will question why you do it at times. Imagine how Dr. Claud Anderson feels?
Grand teacher Dr. John Henrik Clarke and the others of his era died not seeing us progress much at all. If you are in this for the wrong reasons. Meaning trying to organize, do a podcast, etc, you won't last long. It's why I have the ultimate respect for everyone in that space who is doing the work and the heavy lifting for all of us.
I took it upon myself to see her videos and she is about calling out white supremacy. That alone, makes me wish her the best. Tariq is the heavyweight in this space and it usually amounts to whomever has the biggest support 'wins' or at least, doesn't get canceled. You need new information, very damning information.
It's fairly well documented, a lot of by Tariq himself of his background. It will only be a surprise to those who don't know his background. I recall some non FBA chatrooms talking about his background. I'm thinking 'So what? Who cares? It only matters if Tariq's supporters want it to matter'
You can point out all kinds of things about Trump to hardcore MAGAs and they really don't care.
As for the Secure The Tribe, my advice is this. If you want to do something that even if you pour your heart and soul into it for a specific people and they frustrate you to no end, leave you feeling completely under-appreciated, and very little financial reward in on average, then try convincing black people to fight white supremacy with you. I guarantee you will question why you do it at times. Imagine how Dr. Claud Anderson feels?
Grand teacher Dr. John Henrik Clarke and the others of his era died not seeing us progress much at all. If you are in this for the wrong reasons. Meaning trying to organize, do a podcast, etc, you won't last long. It's why I have the ultimate respect for everyone in that space who is doing the work and the heavy lifting for all of us.
We sure will. I don’t even know why those two fell out in the first place. But my money is on Meechee as she doesn’t turn everything she does into a sale. Not saying it’s wrong to do but it makes me question your motivations.
#STT ARE the new age version of the niggas standing in front of the store all damn day debating Ancient Egypt, Crystals, Magic, religion, Reptilians, and all that. You go there for a coffee and a donut in the morning them niggas is there. You stop by for a Red Bull after work and them niggas is there.
“Aye youngsta you got some change”
I never liked or hated them if I’m being honest I just thought they were ghetto and under employed. My assessment still remains the same. Their beef with Tariq means nothing to me.
Are you talking about the “Marcus Sanders” background? I don’t know if I believe it but I don’t know if I disbelieve it either.
Supposedly Tariq's birthname is Marcus Saunders I think. Not 100 percent sure but I've heard a few of his detractors say that. And he's not denied when someone called in to troll. I'm like 'So what?' Many people change their name. There are some rapper who we never knew their real name, ever. If someone chooses another name, so be it. You respect that choice and change unless anyone thinks its okay to refer to Malcolm X as Malcolm Little and Mohammed Ali as Casius Clay?
Tariq was a street cat. By his own admission. Again so what? So was Malcolm X. No he's not of that level, but the point is people have backgrounds and take on a whole new direction. Jay Z and countless other rappers sold drugs.
And another thing. People will say how can he be pro black with a biracial wife. And by extension a white mother in law. Again, we've all seen his wife, I wouldn't have known she was half white if no one told me. Also, so what? She's black. Interesting thing is we will claim famous people in history, Queen Charlotte, Beethoven, even Meghan 'passing for white' Markle as black, Halle Berry, Dave Justice, Mariah Carey, we claim all them but say his wife ain't?
Does anyone say Frederick Douglas and Bob Marley ain't black? Both got white fathers. So, if anyone gonna say his wife ain't black they gotta say all others I mentioned ain't either.
This isn't a 'defend Tariq' post, its a pointing out hypocrisy post.
Tariq was a street cat. By his own admission. Again so what? So was Malcolm X. No he's not of that level, but the point is people have backgrounds and take on a whole new direction. Jay Z and countless other rappers sold drugs.
And another thing. People will say how can he be pro black with a biracial wife. And by extension a white mother in law. Again, we've all seen his wife, I wouldn't have known she was half white if no one told me. Also, so what? She's black. Interesting thing is we will claim famous people in history, Queen Charlotte, Beethoven, even Meghan 'passing for white' Markle as black, Halle Berry, Dave Justice, Mariah Carey, we claim all them but say his wife ain't?
Does anyone say Frederick Douglas and Bob Marley ain't black? Both got white fathers. So, if anyone gonna say his wife ain't black they gotta say all others I mentioned ain't either.
This isn't a 'defend Tariq' post, its a pointing out hypocrisy post.
I don't think his critics really care about the things you mentioned. It's more so the contradictions in everything he says. Actual sound clips of him saying one thing and doing and saying other things that 100% contradict the original thing he said.
No one knows anyone's real intentions at the end of the day. However, what we do know is what they present to the public. If things presented to the public start to contradict, that's when we should be asking questions. (The Vicki Dillard situation is a perfect example of this.)
A lot of masks are cracking and we're starting to see the real people behind them.
Prime example... Tariq is seeing red because someone mentioned one of his children, but he thought it was perfectly fine to disparage MecheeX's children in the past. And he and some (maybe most) of his followers laughed and thought it was okay.
And your post absolutely sounds like you're defending Tariq.
I like this response because you presented a lot of valid points. Im in agreement that productiviy and results is what should give someone clout.
In my opinion Tariq Nasheed is a real one. Been a fan since his mack lessons days. His books The Mack Within and Art of Mackin made my game so tight he helped me find my wife. A sexy ass down ass sister willing to hold down her family. Married 10 years Mrs.BlackRadical.
Then the brother Tariq came with the Hidden Color series which was a major elevation in our collective consciousness. That man should always be respected as the OG he is. In regards to his wife by ancient biblical standards which is you are what your father is since he provides the seed that woman is Black. Im sure we all know hood females with the name peanut. All bets are always off when it comes to attacking a Black Man's family. It doesn't get more off code than that.
Which brings me to my opinion on STT. When I first heard the cats they seemed to be just young well intentioned and un refined. Over time joining their spaces I found some were about business while others were willfully ignorant to regurgitate talking points. Then they disrespected Jason Black. Im like bro thats off code. I expressed om TBA space that they need to be more about the work than just talking in circles. They had issue with my statements and I addressed them directly with Boobe Mel and even Ya ya . I argued them down at the time but warned that the behavior of fighting our own isnt going to get anything moving. They were more concerned with Afro Elite calling them agents. Seems to me as far as purposely attempting to shift the movement in a negative direction they certainly moved like agents. I kept my distance due to having to focus on making moves on my land. Right before I made this move my wife stated one day STT would try to come for Tariq. I was like noooooo. Surely they weren't that stupid. 5 months later I got a house put down on my land. Felt like sharing the news on social media and come back to STT talking shit about Tariq Nasheed. Im like hot damn. These mutha fuckas think their group has enough clout to come for a Master OG. Some things are more important than clout. The crabs in the bucket mentality is in direct contrast to being on code. When one wins in a way that produces for the collective we all win.
You have to know how to productively serve your people in action not just words. I don't think them cats ever understood that. Much respect to all those who called them out from jump. You're suoposed tk give your family the benefit of the doubt but after all the reckless talk they need a timeout. As far as Ya Ya she is another iteration of an off code modern woman. More worried about her own name than the benefits of the black family. You cant forsake the brother for advertising you didn't purchase on your own. Solutions and actions over plebicite babble. There is a time to come together and strategize even socialize so that business can get done but disrespecting your own publicly is the epitome of being off code. Im good on them.
Tariq's body of work since the first Hidden Colors movie has no equal. It's not a contest. We do what we can with what we have. He and Jason Black have way more paperwork than anyone out there. Both are millionaires so its not a diss to anyone else. They started out with a lot more resources. But they used it. Diddy has Revolt TV, Jay Z has bailed out protesters, but those cats are billionaires and have also had done some things where we kinda raise an eyebrow to. Both could easily have secretly financed similar movies, paid for billboards on the low via others, but they didn't.
Anyway, Mechee went all the way in. It's obviously deeply personal with her and at the risk of sounding sexist, women tend to say things men won't even go near. She just flat out said she couldn't give a f*ck about his kids and went further after that. I think she can be both pro black and say harmful off code things. Same with Tariq and anyone, including yours truly and yourselves if you are honest. Emotion is emotion and we are often led by it when triggered but damn!
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owhwKA5cnmA&t=19s
Anyway, Mechee went all the way in. It's obviously deeply personal with her and at the risk of sounding sexist, women tend to say things men won't even go near. She just flat out said she couldn't give a f*ck about his kids and went further after that. I think she can be both pro black and say harmful off code things. Same with Tariq and anyone, including yours truly and yourselves if you are honest. Emotion is emotion and we are often led by it when triggered but damn!
Obviously it's personal because Tariq made it personal when he called her a hood rat, made fun of her autistic son, and constantly throws shots at her.
You say lines like this but then immediately go back to defending Tariq. You may like his documentaries and new flags every other month but as person he is extremely immature and petty. Even if we go off his documentaries they got played out after HC3. Hidden Colors 4 and 5 were the same ol' talking head format where you have people saying things totally unsubstantiated. He even took that same format, did it live, and called it the FBA Conference. Tariq is a hustler and I think if people see him as anything more than that they are setting themselves up for disappointment.
All I can is this. Remember that you do not know any of these people in person. You listen to their shows all the time but have you ever dealt with them after the camera is off? If you haven't then you really have no clue how any of them act. I have dealt with several NBM personalities behind the scenes and some that are loved and cherished are bitch ass niggas. <---excuse my language
So you look at the on camera personality and wonder why anyone would beef with he/she. You're like "Person X is so cool why would anyone be mad they must be an agent" but you don't know that Person X is a punk ass who drops the "I care for Black people" act the second the stream ends.
You have to remember that sometimes you are judging Person X based on who you think they are while other people are judging Person X based on what they truly are when the camera is off.
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I did and when I dealt with certain personalities behind the scenes they acted no different than a White supremacist. Assuming I was ghetto, talking down to me, and being condescending. A lot of yall don't know some of these clowns.
So you look at the on camera personality and wonder why anyone would beef with he/she. You're like "Person X is so cool why would anyone be mad they must be an agent" but you don't know that Person X is a punk ass who drops the "I care for Black people" act the second the stream ends.
You have to remember that sometimes you are judging Person X based on who you think they are while other people are judging Person X based on what they truly are when the camera is off.
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I did and when I dealt with certain personalities behind the scenes they acted no different than a White supremacist. Assuming I was ghetto, talking down to me, and being condescending. A lot of yall don't know some of these clowns.
LOL...it could easily be read as such. I'm a fan of his but I also understand why others aren't into him. The only thing I've ever defended him on if his body of work is diminished unfairly. I don't defend him being petty and I won't be in others comments on youtube who go in on his pettiness. I try and stay with facts. He's not everyone's cup of tea. I get it. No problem with me. But if someone isn't his fan and tries to question his actual record then I take issue as I would with anyone in this space who at least has done some things. You can't take that away.
"I think she can be both pro black and say harmful off code things. Same with Tariq and anyone," I thought this said Tariq was also pro black and said harmful things?
Defend him about what specifically? Maybe there is someone out there but again, no one has his body of work since HC1. Maybe its played out to you or others. That is strictly an opinion. The fact they have all out-sold major Hollywood movies on Amazon would suggest otherwise. My thing is don't like Tariq, fair enough. His pettiness and actions can make some people not be his fan. But the guy has an enviable track record of delivering. I can't see how pointing that out is wrong. Now, those that don't like him may see his faults as overshadowing the work. Fair enough in yours or anyone else's minds. I am not hear to change that.
Put it like this. I think pretty much everyone all the way down the line, Tariq, FBA, PBT, Dr. Umar, Mechee, Dr. Boyce Watkins Vicki Dillard (yes, her too), Marcel, and a few others I can't recall. And although I think they are going down the wrong route/strategy, Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell's hearts are in the right place. I listened to them a lot more previously and don't now but they dropped some very good info and analysis in my humble opinion at times way back. Secure The Tribe as well. Their execution isn't good, but they are talking reparations.
The few that I think do more harm than good? BLM the organization, and a few others I don't support one iota.
All of these folks are talking black empowerment. They aren't all perfect by any stretch but at the end of the day, its black empowerment, reparations (even if I disagree with the ones who want it for non FBA), etc.
For me, the more black voices saying it is a good thing. If or rather when we get a certain percentage of blacks on that tip, sh*t will change faster. You and disagree maybe about Tariq or possibly other things but for me its very minor. Its very, very obvious you are deeply pro black and for me that's all I ask. With that, I support you or anyone to succeed.
Exactly!! I was telling my family last night... "What if one or a few of these people are this generation's Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, etc." The next generation will look back at us and say, "How did they fall for THAT?!"
A lot of masks are cracking and just plain slipping off right now... I've been noticing a lot of strange behavior from multiple NBM voices since April. We have to read between the lines of what people say and don't say. What they acknowledge and don't acknowledge. And use plain ole common sense. I know it feels better to quickly defend someone and dismiss someone else. But we don't know these people at the end of the day.
The issue I was trying to highlight is how you drop one line to appear impartial but then roll into a defense of Tariq.
“Yeah Tariq may have done some wrong but the hidden colors dvd did huge numbers…”
None of that excuses his grade school behavior and inability to take criticism so why bring it up?
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When Tariq and Mechee first had their falling out he mocked Mechee's kids so… He made fun of her son, who at the time was still locked up, and her daughter was harassed
Im glad someone remembers this. He was extremely disrespectful and out of line just as he was with Yaya.
Basically think of the dividing line being about agendas.
Old Black Media pushed Democrat or government talking points.
- Black and Brown
- Vote Blue no matter who
- Coalitions
New Black Media pushes a Black Agenda.
- Reparations
- Being On Code
- Group Economics
- Permanent Interest, Temporary Friends
Oh, I understand now. Thank you for the straight forward, simplistic explanation. Now that I know what the New Black Media is, I agree heavily with the change, but why are STT and NBM fighting??? Aren't all these people apart of these political divisions the same people? the Black American people? I'm kind of baffled on why we're infighting so much for something we could try to colaborate on. It's creating a kind of pseudo tribal system based on politics that doesn't look too good for us in the long run.
It’s stupid AF but what happened is that #STT was upset when they did the pull-ups because they felt like #theblackauthority #tariqnasheed and #professorblacktruth did not support them by promoting the pull ups. They were most disappointed with Tariq because they said they supported all his movies and events but that he didn’t come through for them.
Tariq lashed out at them and called them names and doxxed one of the leaders of #securethetribe Yaya. He released her real name, pictures of her, and her criminal record. This created a larger rift between the groups and then the rest of the NBM piled on. Everyone made programming attacking Secure the Tribe and some was warranted and some wasn’t.
So basically Tariq single handedly started a political civil war between Black Americans... Got it.
That was a god awful move by Tariq, he's burning bridges too
Phil Scott of the African Diaspora News Network had the best response to Secure the Tribe. He basically said “you can’t expect us to support something you didn’t come to us to plan”. He also said “if you’re doing it for the clout then you’re not in this with the right intention”. It was a nice grown man approach to it all. No name calling, no doxxing, or anything. The thing we have to remember is that we cannot have a code if there are members in our community that believe they are above the code.
He was called out about it 2 weeks and said “I’m a boss, what are you going to do about it…you can’t do anything”. How people still follow him after that baffles me.
I didn’t agree with Secure the Tribe, I think a lot of them are ghetto and always curse and talk about fist fighting. But I think they had some good points that should have been addressed head on. Instead it turned into a ghetto back and forth and now people are choosing sides instead of focusing on reparations.
That what always seem to happen sooner or later their is a fight to see who is the true saviour of black people
That’s exactly what we have but I don’t think it’s going to last too long. You can’t beef with everyone.That what always seem to happen sooner or later their is a fight to see who is the true saviour of black people
Why I think Secure The Tribe was wrong about was that they expected something that wasn't a given.
By that I mean, you never heard the new black media, who all know each other either personally or by reputation ever complain one of the others didn't support their project enough.
So, STT expecting support would have a point if that's how things normally were. It isn't. STT's beliefs (reparations for FBAs, etc) are in line with everyone else's. Their way of conducting business isn't professional.
But to be fair to Tariq, he didn't 'start anything'. STT talked about him (and TBA, PBT, etc) first. Tariq can be criticized for how he responded if you think he didn't handle it correctly or handled it wrongly but STT came at him first. Let's be accurate about that.
You are not going to beat Tariq at being petty, by his own admission. As Biggie once said....
By that I mean, you never heard the new black media, who all know each other either personally or by reputation ever complain one of the others didn't support their project enough.
So, STT expecting support would have a point if that's how things normally were. It isn't. STT's beliefs (reparations for FBAs, etc) are in line with everyone else's. Their way of conducting business isn't professional.
But to be fair to Tariq, he didn't 'start anything'. STT talked about him (and TBA, PBT, etc) first. Tariq can be criticized for how he responded if you think he didn't handle it correctly or handled it wrongly but STT came at him first. Let's be accurate about that.
You are not going to beat Tariq at being petty, by his own admission. As Biggie once said....
That is an accurate assessment.Why I think Secure The Tribe was wrong about was that they expected something that wasn't a given.
By that I mean, you never heard the new black media, who all know each other either personally or by reputation ever complain one of the others didn't support their project enough.
So, STT expecting support would have a point if that's how things normally were. It isn't. STT's beliefs (reparations for FBAs, etc) are in line with everyone else's. Their way of conducting business isn't professional.
But to be fair to Tariq, he didn't 'start anything'. STT talked about him (and TBA, PBT, etc) first. Tariq can be criticized for how he responded if you think he didn't handle it correctly or handled it wrongly but STT came at him first. Let's be accurate about that.
You are not going to beat Tariq at being petty, by his own admission. As Biggie once said....
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Yeah. He seems like a horny man who has a hard time getting laid.You’ve been creeped out too it looks like.
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The New Black Media is the pro-Black channels on social media that are not controlled by White mainstream that hates us.
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I don't think some of those STT can fight. They don't seem like the type that can do so.
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Tariq had me cracked up when he roasted Yaya. He went in on her boots and her non attractive booty she was twerking.
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